Again, I'm the "newcomer" to the scenery making. Brad is the expert on this and its history here. And yes, I'd check with John Venema first before putting up an ORBX test object. In fact, I'd go a step further, I'd look for one of his people that was sort of in charge of all this and ask that they send us a "latest" new object. No, we don't do anything here without a "permission" from ORBX.