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V5 Vehicle preview black on startup
« on: May 12, 2020, 03:42:48 PM »
Hello,
When I start v5 the vehicle preview stays black...as default vehicle is the LM F-35 titled above.
Calling up the vehicle window after clicking on the Change Vehicle button the 3D model of the F35 is shoen correct in the respective window there.
When switching back to start up screen, no matter via pressing OK or Cancel, then the F35 3D model is shown correct in the vehicle preview window in startup screen.

In previous versions of P3d the vehicle preview window on startup screen always showed the default vehicle correct when launching P3d.

I didn‘t monitor this behaviour so far.....I had this on v5 initial release and now on v5HF1.
But today I found a threat on the LM forums, some other users report the same. A solution is not offered yet.

So I wondered if the vehicle preview works correct on your system when launching P3dv5?


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Re: V5 Vehicle preview black on startup
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2020, 04:24:32 PM »
I also had a black vehicle preview in the startup screen, but it cured itself after 2 or 3 flights. No idea what it caused and no idea what healed it.

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Re: V5 Vehicle preview black on startup
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2020, 07:28:16 PM »
Mine works okay.

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Re: V5 Vehicle preview black on startup
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2020, 04:34:28 PM »
Black here too.

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Re: V5 Vehicle preview black on startup
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2020, 04:50:10 PM »
If I recall correctly my black preview possibly was cured by installing the latest nvidia driver, but not sure.

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Re: V5 Vehicle preview black on startup
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2020, 05:23:16 PM »
I have the latest Nvidia Drivers installed....reinstalled them a few days again hoping curing sith this the cause of crashes I have with v5......the vehicle preview screen is still black on v5 launch.


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Re: V5 Vehicle preview black on startup
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2020, 05:47:56 PM »
I found the following Thread regarding the Nidia Control panel and settings with v5 on the LM forums.

https://www.prepar3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6312&t=138027

After resetting the entries for p3d application to default the LM F35 is shown in the vehicle preview window when launching P3dv5. The black screen has gone......

Another step forward...


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Re: V5 Vehicle preview black on startup
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2020, 09:48:34 PM »
Sounds like you are running both v4 as well as v5?  and if that is the case would suspect that the nvidia profile was set for the original prepar3D v4 executable and also applying those same graphics settings to Prepa3d v5. And that would sure explain the black in V5 as v4 was DirectX11 but v5 being on DirectX12 has very different graphic parameters. Then applying the default settings - restore default graphics setting to both sim - and voila the black in v5 is fixed. (Just thinking this through and that would make perfect sense?).
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Re: V5 Vehicle preview black on startup
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2020, 02:46:54 AM »
Yes, this is exactly the problem...it seems Nvidia control panel can only accept one profile for prepar3d.
When running more versions of p3d on one computer the profile, originally set for one p3d versipn, will be used by Nvidia control panel for all installed p3d versions on this computer.
The reason is, I guessed, is the naming of prepar3d.exe in all p3d versions the same. If the name of the applicatipns .exe file is the way searching for an installed application by Nvidea control panel, this will lead to issues....

I came to this conclusion as I read an other thread, A lot user now believe this can cause the crashes due to their graphics card in v5.....dxgi device hung errors...


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Re: V5 Vehicle preview black on startup
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2020, 06:41:11 AM »
Yup all makes perfect sense! BUT, in NVidia control panel you have control of which version of prepar3d.exe is selected/or acted upon by the nvivia control panel:

inside NVidia control panel navigate to:
 
>> Manage 3D settings >  Program setting tab (on the right) > Add > (a list of programs on your computer will appear > Select the Orange Prepar3d.exe (which is v5) or if you can't find it, go to Browse at the bottom of that window and navigate to the prepar3d v5 root folder and select Prepar3D.exe. - now NVidia control panel with tweak the v5 version.

Do the same for v4 if/when necessary so that way now you can have the correct Prepar3D.exe (V4) for affecting changes.  This is one extra step but ensures that the correct prepa3d.exe is selected and acted upon by the control panel.

So NVidia should be able to can manipulate/tweak and affect changes on one sim without affecting the settings on the other version but only if the correct executable is selected. (Once the other sim is removed it won't be an issue as NVidia will only pickup or identify the one Prepar3D.exe file that is left in your system.)
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Re: V5 Vehicle preview black on startup
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2020, 07:01:58 AM »
O.k.  Thanks!

But, something is strange anyway I think with Nvidia control panel.
I know definitly, before Yesterday I did not do changes to Nividia control panel since v5 came out one month ago. And I installed/ reinstalled it three times because if the problems I had so far.

But I know also that I did do changes to Nvidia Control panel for prepar3d.exe. But for v4 and this must be more than one year ago.

When I open program settings in the Nvidia Control panel I‘ll only see prepared.exe icon with orange circle, so that is v5. the v4 prepar3d.exe file is a black rectangle. There is no entry for this.

As I had v4 before v5 on my system, and I did settings changes for v4 in Nvivia control panel before v5 was installed....it would make sense to me, that v4 entry is present in Nividia control panel and I‘ll had to do a new entry for v5....but the opposite is the case and this is an issue. If Nvidia or LM is responsible I don’t know, but it‘s an issue for me...


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Re: V5 Vehicle preview black on startup
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2020, 07:54:30 AM »
Hmmm ok..  Almost appears like you're getting a crossover between the old v4 exe and the new v5 exe in the NVidia control panel and it is only displaying the v5 exe.

Do you still even have v4 on your pc? If so you still have that prepar3d.exe file on you pc in your v4 sim route folder- that you should be able to navigate to. And also the v5 sim root contains the v5 exe that should should be able to navigate to in NVidia control panel.. and choose between the two. Hmmm. Ok.. well for now, as your previous findings best to restore NVidia settings for either or both prepar3d..exe settings back to default so each will prepar3D.exe profile in the NVidia profile will be restored to their regular state. 

I can't test this cause only have one sim installed now.
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Re: V5 Vehicle preview black on startup
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2020, 08:43:32 AM »
No Problem, Norm!
Thank you for your help so far....

Yes I have both v4 and v5 installed. I think I‘m not alone out there with both versions actually on the same pc.....others will have this too as long as their addons are not yet compatible with v5 and other issues with v5 still exist.

I will observe this further.....


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Re: V5 Vehicle preview black on startup
« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2020, 08:44:18 AM »
Same here. I had Prepar3D.exe from V4 on half refresh rate. After installing and running V5 the setting was also applied. I can now run V4 and V5 with one setting in the control panel. I think the Nvidia control panel will just check the name of the .exe file once it is invoked. Regardless where it is stored.

This said I believe you cannot distinguish between the same .exe in different folders.

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Re: V5 Vehicle preview black on startup
« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2020, 02:04:26 PM »
Hello may be some shader modify try to untik them ..

and clear shaders cash in folder APPDATA/Local of LM v5 .

try again your Simulator .. !
May be get better .

i(ts an idea  but for not sure ..

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