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Doug

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Re: Working on the boats.
« Reply #60 on: March 31, 2011, 10:03:49 AM »
It sure doesn't like to turn!  But on a semi-straight track, it stays right on it. The only thing I noticed were the "splash (forward) contact points" may be a little off. They need to be a little shorter, the splash is happening in front of the bow.  It's amazing that you can get any of this to work.  There are several models of the Scirroco ... which one are you using the GTX2?

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Re: Working on the boats.
« Reply #61 on: March 31, 2011, 10:07:53 AM »
Any chance of doing something with Hama's freeware Riva? Like I mentioned before in another post, the only issue I have with the Malibu is that there is no 'pilot' in the external views while the Riva does.  It would be a slight distraction from my enjoyment of the cruise.
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Re: Working on the boats.
« Reply #62 on: March 31, 2011, 10:26:03 AM »
As a matter of fact, I am working on the Riva right now.  It is shaping up nicely, but I've got to go to work, so will have to put it on hold until I get home tonight.  Check back later on my progress.  (I can't find the button to turn the wipers off.  ha ha.  Minor detail.) 

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Re: Working on the boats.
« Reply #63 on: March 31, 2011, 10:30:12 AM »
It will be great to have the RIVA.   I just put the link up to the Riva in The Marina on The Moorings page.  And if you folks find other freeware boats that you think would fit in, let me know, we'll link to them.

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Re: Working on the boats.
« Reply #64 on: March 31, 2011, 10:03:44 PM »
The boats are a work in progress.  There are alot of things yet to be done.  Your observations are noted, and I am working to resolve the problems.

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Re: Working on the boats.
« Reply #65 on: April 01, 2011, 05:10:03 PM »
Just a note about placing items in a panel.  If you want a switch to show up, on top of another gauge, you have to put it after the underlying object.  For example, I just put a water rudder switch onto the lower left corner of my GPS.  The GPS must be higher in the list than the water rudder switch.  Even if you don't intend to stack items, when you're placing them and you can't find the switch you just placed, it may be under something else at the moment.  Reposition it at "0, 0, " and it should show up in the top left corner of your panel.  Then you'll know it is showing up.
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[Window03]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=156,308
window_size_ratio=1.000 
position=8
visible=0
ident=NAV_STACK_PANEL
window_size= 0.200, 0.500
window_pos= 0.0, 0.500

gauge00=737-400!Autopilot,   22, 267, 134, 30
gauge01=Beech_Baron!Nav GPS Switch, 3,266,15,31
gauge02=Fs9gps!gps_500,  0,132,157,130
gauge03=Turbo_Beaver!water_rudder,  3,245,15,20

gauge04=sirocco_gtx2!speed_indicator,  8,76,40,52
gauge05=Magnetic_Compass!Magnetic-Compass,57,76,42,53
gauge06=Cessna!Heading_Indicator,    105,76,46,55
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I hope this helps.

The Turbo Beaver's water rudder switch is less ugly than the Cessna 208's.  My Turbo Beaver was a freeware download though, so is not a default plane.  I'll have to keep looking.

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Re: Working on the boats.
« Reply #66 on: April 01, 2011, 06:51:59 PM »
I'm working on the Scirocco GTX2 at the moment, and I thought I post a screenie of the corrected wake effects.  No progress on autopilot response while going 12 knots. (or 30 knots, either).  The weekend is still young.  It's just a matter of time before I win this fight.

Edit - I am winning the fight, and eventually we'll have them all working.  I can now get the Scirocco to track at 12 knots.  (Just like grass growing, you have to use a time-lapse camera to see the action, but it's working.)

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Re: Working on the boats.
« Reply #67 on: April 02, 2011, 12:23:28 AM »
Spud,
     I've got the Scirocco tracking at 25 knots.  Man, this is like watching grass grow.  You can go 13-15 knots by easing off the throttle, but it probably won't hold the track very well going that slow.  It was doing it, but I almost fell asleep waiting for it to come in line.  I've been cruising from Wrangell to Misty's for about 3 hours, I think.  Spud, do you still want me to make its top speed 15 knots?  Currently the top speed, full throttle, is 39 knots.  But that's overrevving the engine, and you should keep the rpm's in the green (between 2000/2500 rpm) Here's a visual at 25 knots.

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Re: Working on the boats.
« Reply #68 on: April 02, 2011, 08:10:43 AM »
Jeff, I've been running the sim rate at X 2 once I get a boat going. So it speeds up the time, but they are slow enough you don't get the jerky turning, etc.  But a "slow" boat at 15 will be going an actual 30.  I like to do that out on the open water ... in the sharp turns I keep the sim rate on "normal."  So "real slow" isn't a problem with the X 2.

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Re: Working on the boats.
« Reply #69 on: April 02, 2011, 09:31:51 AM »
Spud,
     I've got the Scirocco tracking at 25 knots.  Man, this is like watching grass grow.  You can go 13-15 knots by easing off the throttle, but it probably won't hold the track very well going that slow.  It was doing it, but I almost fell asleep waiting for it to come in line.  I've been cruising from Wrangell to Misty's for about 3 hours, I think.  Spud, do you still want me to make its top speed 15 knots?  Currently the top speed, full throttle, is 39 knots.  But that's overrevving the engine, and you should keep the rpm's in the green (between 2000/2500 rpm) Here's a visual at 25 knots.

Jeff,
 that is a no on the speed for the Scirocco it is fine.  I was talking about the Tug when I put the .cfg file in the thing goes like the mythical bat out of he|| .  I have not researched it but my WAG is that 18-20 Kts. would be about all the Tug could do.  If it will not track at the low speed then 25 Kts. 'could' be used I guess.  ::)
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Re: Working on the boats.
« Reply #70 on: April 02, 2011, 09:46:24 AM »
I am going with the X2 setting. 

I re-mapped the engines.  Now using one or the other causes the boat to curve in the correct direction.  You can "help" the steering by favoring the engine on one side or the other.  Full right engine will push you left, and vice versa.  They were backwards originally.  (oops, I just ran aground 'cause I'm typing while boating)  I'm going past PAKT at the moment, almost to Misty's.  Just a couple more corners to go.  I'm currently running at 12 knots.  No room for error going through the channel.  I can see Misty's on the GPS screen now.

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Re: Working on the boats.
« Reply #71 on: April 02, 2011, 09:50:57 AM »
Good morning Spud.  The tug is next on my list.  I think I've got the Scirocco dialed in pretty good now.  I had doubts that I could get it tracking so slow, but I did it.  Now I can use what I've learned to tweak the tug. 

Edit - Hmm, I just hit a snag with the Scirocco.  The amount of fuel GREATLY effects the performance.  I had already reduced it from 8000 per tank, to 2000 to lighten it up.  It was running good like that.  Then I emptied the tanks, and now it is very unstable.  It's too light with no fuel, so what to do.  I recommend that you always run with a full tank, I suppose.  I could make the tanks tiny, and put the weight on the boat instead.  I'd adjust the fuel rate so it doesn't run out so quickly.  Do you care about "realistic fuel consumption"?  I've always run FSX with "unlimited fuel" checked anyway.  I don't care about that aspect of the sim, except when I made my "Around the world" trip last year.  What do you think?
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Re: Working on the boats.
« Reply #72 on: April 02, 2011, 06:12:59 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PID_controller
http://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/showthread.php?208174-PID-Controllers-And-Aircraft.Cfg

I've been doing some light reading today.  These articles talk about the PID control methods used by the autopilot.  Now I feel smarter.  ;D
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« Reply #73 on: April 02, 2011, 06:54:57 PM »
Well, I'm glad you read it and feel smarter, I read it and feel dumber! :-)   No, actually that is pretty cool stuff ... I've worked with PIDs before and have even applied the theory to human parameters (another too long story) ... but I didn't realize that is what was happening here.  This is VERY interesting!!

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« Reply #74 on: April 02, 2011, 07:27:06 PM »
Yes, thanks to those articles, I am back on track with the Scirocco.  I had a setback when I discovered that the gradually emptying fuel tanks would bring on major instability.  I always run with a full tank, so I didn't realize this.  Today I did a test, changing the fuel tank levels to zero, and the boat just about jumped out of the water.  Why so much fuel anyway?  Is that realistic to have 16,000 gallons?  I collaborated with Spud, and concluded that two 400 gallon tanks would be plenty.  But all this threw the variables way off, so I had to start over tuning the autopilot.  Now, armed with knowledge, I have the Scirocco tracking again, with the new fuel tanks.  I re-adjusted the boats weight to account for the missing fuel, and changed the fuel consumption so the 800 gallons would last longer.

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