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Return to Misty Moorings (FSX/P3D/MSFS2020) => Object Libraries for RTMM => Topic started by: Rodebo on November 11, 2020, 03:07:10 PM
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Have 2 black hangars at the Owikena West Airstrip, although the scenery tester is OK. Can't find a solution for those black hangars.
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Do you have installed the latest version from 06/29/2020?
https://return.mistymoorings.com/scenery/zipfiles/owikeno_lake_area/Owikeno%20Lake%20Area%20V2.0.zip
My scenery there looks different.
Karl
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I have a fuel station and the plane in the the hangar has a different color.
Karl
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Hi Rodebo,
Karl makes a good point. Make sure you have the most recent scenery updates. Here is what mine looks like in P3Dv3.
I've just re-installed my P3dv3 and am testing my IS3 program. I'm getting a g2d error when I start it and no object labels are showing yet. But my scenery looks ok. :P
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/m531/jeff3163/Prepar3D_2020_11_11_20_06_40_91.png?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds)
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RodeBO you're missing textures on those cabins.. Textures are usually in the Object libraries: (There is NO textures in the actual Owikeno Lake Area add-on scenery piece. Suspect that your object libs are incomplete or setup incorrectly. What sim are you running RodeBO?
Norm
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nbrich1, I 'm still running FSX. I reinstalled the last version of "Owikena West Airstrip" and got the fuel station but kept the 2 black hangars. See attachment.
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nbrich1, I 'm still running FSX. I reinstalled the last version of "Owikena West Airstrip" and got the fuel station but kept the 2 black hangars. See attachment.
Try the scenery tester- to identify which textures from the object libs might be missing in your system.
The Owikeno Lake Area add-on scenery piece (Refreshed 06.29.2020) does NOT contain the textures for the cabins. You need to fix up your object libs so that all the textures are present, then you'll have the textures to show on those cabins at Owikeno Lake Area (and cabins in other locations).
Maybe just grab the FSX Master Scenery Pack, extract and just update the lib folders in your sim and see if that corrects your cabins in the Owikeno Lake Area
Norm
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Norman,
The scenery tester gives everything OK, no libraries missing. So I 'll try to apply your other hints and let you know the result.
Robert
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See my current scenery library setting, no result for the 2 black hangars.
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There is a log file you can switch in the options menu. This will for sure report the missing textures when you load the airstrip.
The only problem is to find the relevanr lines in the file. But it's possible.
Karl
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Right on Karl.. log should show a missing texture..
The only other problem observed in your scenery snapshot is the scenery order. The object libs are sitting on top of the add-on scenery pieces.. In FSX, (as well as P3D), the RTMM object libs are supposed to be below all the add-on scenery pieces. So all the add-on scenery pieces should be sitting on top of the object libraries. Not 100% is that makes a difference but think it does, (that is if your libs are correct). The textures in the libs have to be loaded first by the sim. Steve, the library boss, chime in if you can.
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Jeff, where does that antenna construction come from? Additional addon I'm missing?
Karl
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Right on Karl.. log should show a missing texture..
The only other problem observed in your scenery snapshot is the scenery order. The object libs are sitting on top of the add-on scenery pieces.. In FSX, (as well as P3D), the RTMM object libs are supposed to be below all the add-on scenery pieces. So all the add-on scenery pieces should be sitting on top of the object libraries. Not 100% is that makes a difference but think it does, (that is if your libs are correct). The textures in the libs have to be loaded first by the sim. Steve, the library boss, chime in if you can.
Norm is correct that RTMM recommends that the RTMM object libraries be below the RTMM add-on sceneries in the Scenery Library. However, when using the FSX/P3D engine, the object library .bgls should work correctly even if at the top or anywhere else. The Scenery Library sequencing is really only applicable to certain other .bgl types like scenery placement files, exclusion files etc. which are found in RTMM scenery folders. For those type of files, scenery folder order in the Scenery Library most definitely determines how the sim engine layers the the results of processing those kinds of .bgl files.
That said, following the recommended RTMM Scenery Library order does eliminate debugging steps when problems occur since no one has to think about whether the scenery library entries are in the right order.
Rod
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See my current scenery library setting, no result for the 2 black hangars.
Rodebo,
I notice that your have over 100 entries above the RTMM library entries in the Scenery Library if I am reading your pic of the Scenery Library order correctly. Do you have a lot of third party sceneries installed? Might be worthwhile knowing what all of those are in case one of them might be interfering.
Rod
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This is an age old problem. In a very brief nutshell, 95% of the time it's due to a duplicate object library installed on your system, and based upon the textures associated with the hanger objects, most likely an old EZ Scenery library. I won't go into detail right now, but here's how to verify whether or not this is your issue.
Locate the following texture
ga hanger ss 3a.dds
When you find the texture, make a copy of it and then add ".off" after the name of the original texture. Now move the copy to the texture folder under the root FSX directory. Make sure the name of the texture that you move is "ga hanger ss 3a.dds"
Now see if the hangers look as they should. Report back here with the results and we will proceed from there.
By the way, I've never noticed a difference or have had any problems regarding where my object libraries sit relative to my scenery libraries. I've had my object libraries all over the place in the past without any problems.
Steve
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I found 2 "ga hangar ss 3a" files.
1 - In: Addon scenery - EZ Scenery Library - as a BMP file, indeed an earlier installed library file.
2 - In: Addon Scenery - RTMM Object Libraries - EZ Scenery Library FSXP3D, as a dds file.
I copied the "ga hangar ss 3a.dds" and placed it in the FSX directory "texture" file.
See the gorgeous result!
Robert
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Jeff, where does that antenna construction come from? Additional addon I'm missing?
Karl
Hi Karl,
The red and white object in my pic is a "crosshair" object for scenery placement/inspections. It is used instead of an airplane when slewing around etc. (I can get it to "fly" though) lol
Crosshairs Plus
https://www.dropbox.com/s/eqd2jm10sx4paan/chplus.zip?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/eqd2jm10sx4paan/chplus.zip?dl=0)
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Robert,
You need to delete, or at the very least uncheck, your EZ Scenery folder. All of the EZ Scenery objects are already included in the RTMM libraries. The RTMM library was updated a number of years ago so that all of our objects could be compatible with P3D. Don't worry, by deleting your EZ Scenery folder you won't hurt or lose anything in the way of objects.
After removing the EZ Scenery folder, what you should do now is to go back to the root directory's texture folder and rename "ga hangar ss 3a.dds" to "ga hangar ss 3a.dds.off". (This is a safe guard in case something goes wrong in the next steps.
Now make sure that you have "ga hangar ss 3a.dds" in RTMM Required Libraries Part I\EZ Scenery LibraryFSXP3D 6-7-14\EZ Scenery LibraryFSXP3D\texture
If it's indeed in there, and it should be, you can safely delete the "ga hangar ss 3a.dds.off" from the root directory texture folder.
IF by chance the "ga hangar ss 3a.dds" file in RTMM Required Libraries Part I\EZ Scenery LibraryFSXP3D 6-7-14\EZ Scenery LibraryFSXP3D\texture ends in "off," remove the "off" so that the file reads "ga hangar ss 3a.dds" as it should.
this sounds way more complicated than it really is. I'm just trying to cover all of the bases.
For what it's worth, there have been scores of others who have had the same issue over the years, so you aren't alone! it comes down to having duplicate or overlapping object libraries.
If you need further help, just ask.
Steve
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...is a "crosshair" object for scenery placement/inspections...
;D
Karl
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Steve,
I followed you procedure steps, but can 't set the "ga hangar ss3a .dds" in the FSX directory texture file on off, otherwise I get my black hangars back!
Can I leave it like that?
Robert
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Robert,
I'm not quite sure what you mean by "can 't set the "ga hangar ss3a .dds" in the FSX directory texture file on off."
Anyway, set that texture in the main texture directory to "off" for now anyway. You'll need to do this while FSX isn't running. Also make double sure you've removed EZ Scenery from your addon scenery. Now do a system search for "ga hangar ss3a .dds." The only place it should show up ins in RTMM Required Libraries Part I\EZ Scenery LibraryFSXP3D 6-7-14\EZ Scenery LibraryFSXP3D\texture. If you find it elsewhere, set it to "off" for now, make a note of the location(s), and then see if the hangers look right. Let me know your results and we'll proceed from there. We're trying to determine if another instance of that texture is still hanging around somewhere else and causing the issue. Don't fret, we'll get it working for you.
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Steve,
Sorry for the delay. I had some issues with the normal system search on my PC.
Therefore I downloaded a new program "Everything". Searched with that and see the result.
Hopefully is that what you want to know.
Robert
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Steve
E:\FLIGHT SIM\.... is my file storage of everything concerning FSX.
Robert
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Best search program for me is this one (freeware). I use it since years:
https://www.mythicsoft.com/agentransack/
Karl
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I have used the "Everything" search program for years. I love it. :-* It finds anything, anywhere. Instantly. 8)
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Robert,
Are all of those folders containing the texture in question active in your scenery library? By the looks of your screenshot, the only library location that should have active would be F:\FSX\Addon Scenery\RTMM Object Libraries\EZ Scenery LibraryFSXP3D. Make sure that your scenery library doesn't point to any other instances of the texture. It's OK,for now to still have it in the F:\FSX\Texture folder for now as long as it still has "off" on the end of the name. It it's anywhere else and active, it will cause problems. Also, you will have the same issue with black textures in other other objects in other scenery. Let me know your results.
I need to check out that Everything program. Thanks for the heads up.
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Steve
My Owikeno west P38 scenery looks all right now!
Last steps: deleted "ga hangar ss 3a.dds" file in FSX/texture file, when FSX was not running.
Checked that the only place where "ga hangar ss 3a.dds"shows up is for sure: RTMM Required Libraries Part I\EZ Scenery LibraryFSXP3D 6-7-14\EZ Scenery LibraryFSXP3D\texture.
Thanks for all the tips to achieve the result.
Robert
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Glad you got it all sorted out! You had one of those obscure, crazy problems that crops up once in a while. Like I said, previously, you aren't the first one to have it, and it took a while to figure out what causes that problem and how to correct it when it happened the first time. A little quirk in FSX.
Tried out that the Everything program and it works like a charm. Thanks for the info.