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Title: Nvidia introduces new GPUs on Tuesday
Post by: kaha on August 30, 2020, 05:08:38 PM
GTX 3090 with 24 GB VRAM
GTX 3080 - 10 GB
GTX 3070 - 8 GB

Karl
Title: Re: Nvidia introduces new GPUs on Tuesday
Post by: corbu1 on August 30, 2020, 05:14:39 PM
Yes, they are coming!

I just built my new flightsim PC and I‘m waiting for the new cards impatiently for the new system.

Until they are avaible I have built my backup GTX1080 into the new system. Not perfect, but I hope it will do it‘s job only for a few weeks.....

Title: Re: Nvidia introduces new GPUs on Tuesday
Post by: FSRobert on September 01, 2020, 04:33:16 AM
Will be getting it once it comes to Stockholm...I am all ready :)
Title: Re: Nvidia introduces new GPUs on Tuesday
Post by: kaha on September 01, 2020, 05:07:58 AM
It might also be worh to wait for the new GPU generation from AMD that will come to us a bit later, maybe October.

Karl
Title: Re: Nvidia introduces new GPUs on Tuesday
Post by: corbu1 on September 02, 2020, 12:15:12 PM
Watched Nvidias presentation of the new cards yesterday......

The 3090 is such a huge beast......
Title: Re: Nvidia introduces new GPUs on Tuesday
Post by: kaha on September 02, 2020, 02:40:41 PM
Yes, it is. Even compared to a 2080TI.

Karl
Title: Re: Nvidia introduces new GPUs on Tuesday
Post by: Bradallen43 on September 02, 2020, 04:23:33 PM
So, if you ever wanted to reach the 8K resolution level, the only card right now that can achieve that is the nVidia Titan and you'll only get 10 FPS!!!.

If you're able to afford it, then get yourself that brand new GTX 3090 with 24 GB VRAM! You might reach 15-20 FPS at 8K on Ultra.

I'll be on the sidelines for awhile since I'm stuck with a PC and a non functioning GTX Titan Black edition that seems to be kaput. (Error 43)

No luck with rollback drivers, brand new drivers, MB chipset, etc.

I'm like a duck in the desert. Hopelessly lost.

Title: Re: Nvidia introduces new GPUs on Tuesday
Post by: corbu1 on September 02, 2020, 04:51:59 PM
I‘m looking for the best solution running the sim in VR.
VR means a lot stress for the GPU.....

There are rumors a 3080 with 20GB VRAM comes out later....a lot people think that the 3 models introduced yesterday will not be the only ones.

@Brad
Sad news with your GPU. I hope you find a solution and by back in the virtual skies soon!
Title: Re: Nvidia introduces new GPUs on Tuesday
Post by: kaha on September 02, 2020, 06:13:05 PM
Sorry to hear that, Brad. Chck your power supply and look at updating/reinstalling the firmware. I had errors pointing me to a broken 1080TI back at times when I used 2 of them in a SLI installation. Finaly it turned out to be a broken power supply (that still worked with another card that did use less power).

It's also important to look at the power supply when going for a 3090.

 I wonder how much of a fps increase a 3090 would give me, if core 1 is exhausted as is the case with my P3D installation. I will not go for 8K. A3090 will for sure help with 8x SSAA sampling.

Also I'm a bit sorry for my 2080TI that is now sort of almost rendered useless given there is a 3070 that is faster and costs 1 3rd of the list price I paid for the 2080TI one year ago. (Ha ha, a GPU is "rendered" useless, how funny is that?). Well, there is still 3 more GB of VRAM in the 2080TI.

So, I'm not in a hurry to upgrade, both sims are running fine.

Anyway, now is a good time to get cheap used cards.

Karl
Title: Re: Nvidia introduces new GPUs on Tuesday
Post by: nbrich1 on September 02, 2020, 06:51:57 PM
I did similar Karl.. a year and a half ago did a new PS, to be able to bump the old 970 over to run as a secondary GPU and bought a new GTX2070-Super to be the primary GPU for the heavier stuff like the sim..
(run 3 monitors on each GPU).

Where as could have got the 2080TI (but it was too much $$$ here) or maybe should have waited for the 3000'series to arrive for more speed and more vram!! but hindsight is 20/20. All in the name of progress!!.
Title: Re: Nvidia introduces new GPUs on Tuesday
Post by: Lipra on September 17, 2020, 04:54:30 PM
Brad not sure if this helps

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/game-ready-drivers/13/298487/code-43-error-with-gtx-titan-black/
or
https://www.windowstechit.com/18752/fix-nvidia-graphics-card-error-code-43/
or this video
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=GTX+Titan+Black+edition+error+43&docid=608047290603997645&mid=257607AE7825A7C21A20257607AE7825A7C21A20&view=detail&FORM=VIRE
Title: Re: Nvidia introduces new GPUs on Tuesday
Post by: corbu1 on September 17, 2020, 05:24:18 PM
Well,
the new RTX3080 cards were released today......and sold out seconds later.
Title: Re: Nvidia introduces new GPUs on Tuesday
Post by: corbu1 on September 24, 2020, 02:25:20 PM
One week later.....same procedere.....RTX3090 is launched and sold out moments later......
Title: Re: Nvidia introduces new GPUs on Tuesday
Post by: kaha on September 24, 2020, 02:30:29 PM
Yes. Honestly, that doesn't bother me. I can wait a bit. I will for sure get a 3090. But it need not be now.

I am a early adopter concerning Canon cameras, I always have been. But with graphics cards I can wait for... hmmm.... 2 or 3 days.  ;D No, I'm joking. I don't mind getting my 3090 in two or three months from now.

Karl
Title: Re: Nvidia introduces new GPUs on Tuesday
Post by: corbu1 on September 24, 2020, 02:37:27 PM
In my new flightsim PC my old GTX1080 is a real bottleneck.......but I‘ll also think it‘ll take two or three months since enough 3090‘s are avaiable on the market.
Title: Re: Nvidia introduces new GPUs on Tuesday
Post by: kaha on September 26, 2020, 02:55:40 PM
Klaus, you are also thinking about getting a 3090?

There are rumors that a 3080 will appear featuring 20GB of VRAM. This lets me think twice about that 3090. There are test already comparing 3080 and 3090 in speed:

https://www.computerbase.de/2020-09/geforce-rtx-3090-gigabyte-msi-test/2/#abschnitt_benchmarks_in_3840__2160

The difference is not more than 10 to 15%.

But, as you stated: we have to wait a bit anyway to see if the 3090 is reliable in tests and until it is well available. Until then we might already know when an upgraded 3080 (Super?) with 20GB will be available.


Karl
Title: Re: Nvidia introduces new GPUs on Tuesday
Post by: corbu1 on September 26, 2020, 03:31:51 PM
Yes, this is the Plan.....

I‘ve have read about the 10 to 15 per Cent advantage of the 3090 over the 3080.

I think it will take at least two months before the 3090 is in sufficent numbers avaible on the market....by the way nearly the same time I was searching for the I9 10900K in Germany.

I have heard about a 3080 with 20GB. The question for me is, is it really significant cheaper than the 3090. I‘m not sure already......

As you said 3090 or 3080, we will have to wait......
Title: Re: Nvidia introduces new GPUs on Tuesday
Post by: nbrich1 on September 27, 2020, 08:10:36 AM
New Nvidia RTX 3080 Teardown Reveals A Serious Problem: Issues with 3080:

VideoCardz was the first English language site to report that several 3rd-party, factory-overclocked RTX 3080 models from ZOTAC, MSI, Gigabyte and others are exhibiting unexplained crashes or severe graphical artifacts while gaming. Since then the problem has become more widespread, with complaints mounting on sites like Reddit, LinusTechTips and Nvidia’s own forums.

What’s The Problem, Exactly?

In a nutshell: when the affected models reach a boost GPU clock speed of 2.0GHz or higher, the card crashes to the desktop.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2020/09/27/your-new-nvidia-rtx-3080-may-have-a-serious-crashing-problem/#5a18447c2a15

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/evga-nvidia-rtx-3080-capacitor-caused-crashes

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/geforce-rtx-3080-ctd-issues-likely-due-to-poscap-and-mlcc-configuration.html

Title: Re: Nvidia introduces new GPUs on Tuesday
Post by: kaha on September 27, 2020, 10:49:41 AM
So, what are the early adopters doing? Do they get a refund? Or can it maybe fixed by a firmware update?

A boost clock of 2.0 or higher is too high for the NVIDIA FE design. A firmware could probably stop the card from going so high. Bad thing then is that those cards cannot be OCed very well.

Anyway, I wait...

Karl
Title: Re: Nvidia introduces new GPUs on Tuesday
Post by: corbu1 on September 27, 2020, 02:15:44 PM
Just watched the articles from igorslab an Jaystwocents....I‘m no chip technichian so I do not understand the problem in it‘s full meaning.

They believe the crashes with overclocked 3000series cards are caused by cheap capasitors which some card manufactorers built on their cards. So this would be an hardware issue and not driver based.
The Nividia FE cards have better ones. So seem not that vulnerable for crashes. Problem‘s there were driver related.
Some other manufactorers like Asus seem to use better capasitors and their cards do not show these chrashes caused by the hardware.

I thought this worse gpu launch was a chaos for the lot people who didn‘t get one. Now it seems it ends in chaos for the few who were able to grab one......

Let‘s wait the following days....maybe some light will be brought onto this
Title: Re: Nvidia introduces new GPUs on Tuesday
Post by: jeff3163 on September 27, 2020, 04:02:48 PM
Quote
I thought this worse gpu launch was a chaos for the lot people who didn‘t get one. Now it seems it ends in chaos for the few who were able to grab one......

 :o ;D  This made me laugh out loud.  Thanks Klaus.   :)
Title: Re: Nvidia introduces new GPUs on Tuesday
Post by: kaha on October 07, 2020, 06:34:38 AM
That's the only 3090 available in Germany and Austria. But the price is ... erm.... too high. I have to wait.

Karl
Title: Re: Nvidia introduces new GPUs on Tuesday
Post by: corbu1 on October 07, 2020, 11:50:23 AM
Honestly I don‘t believe the card is really avaiable.

I fear the prices will stay for a certain time at this high level. The TUF is be have not the most pricy one.

The 3090 ROG strix is at 1900 to 1950 €‘s.....which is my favourite card to get.
I‘ve seen a EVGA 3090 listed at about 2100€ :o :o :o

Latest comments by Nvidia indicate that the shortage of 3080 and 3090 cards will last untill january 2021 :o

Edit:
Just checked the german mediamarkt website......the card is not avaiable.
Title: Re: Nvidia introduces new GPUs on Tuesday
Post by: kaha on October 07, 2020, 12:21:11 PM
Not sure how reliable it is, probably I would have to go there and check  ;D. But in Innsbruck the card is ready for pickup after ordering it. Also in other affiliate shops. Pickup would be on Monday earliest.

Karl
Title: Re: Nvidia introduces new GPUs on Tuesday
Post by: corbu1 on October 07, 2020, 02:31:06 PM
Interesting...if you could get one, you could consider buying.

I don‘t think they will be much cheaper within the next weeks.......

So as I have to wait anywayI was also vonsidering getting a 3080Ti with 20GB VRam.
But I guess they will not be significant cheaper.....and availability will also be extrem limited or not present.

Never thought this will happen....I‘m willing to buy a graphicscard for lot of money.....but I can‘t get one because not avaiable...... :o :o :'( :'(
Title: Re: Nvidia introduces new GPUs on Tuesday
Post by: corbu1 on October 07, 2020, 04:44:54 PM
The interesting thing is, everytime I start Youtube and see all those youtube techinfluencers praising their 3080 and 3090 they did get from Nvidia and the other card manufactorers for promotion purposes.....I‘ll tend to know where did most of these few already produced cards where shipped to.
Title: Re: Nvidia introduces new GPUs on Tuesday
Post by: kaha on October 07, 2020, 05:25:36 PM
Well, actually Nvidia suggests the situation is not too few cards but too many orders. That's funny.

And yes, I also would want to have a ROG STRIX OC if possible.

Klaus, until we get hold of a card Robert is already tired of it looking for a 4090!  ;D

Karl
Title: Re: Nvidia introduces new GPUs on Tuesday
Post by: kaha on October 08, 2020, 09:18:08 AM
Today the Asus card is not anymore available at that shop.

Karl
Title: Re: Nvidia introduces new GPUs on Tuesday
Post by: FSRobert on October 08, 2020, 11:25:38 AM
Happy I got mine.  :)
Title: Re: Nvidia introduces new GPUs on Tuesday
Post by: kaha on November 14, 2020, 06:51:30 AM
I went to a store this morning (Media Markt) to get additional 16GB DDR4 for my client PC in order to have 32GB in it then, and guess what I saw: A MSI GeForce RTX 3090 Gaming X Trio, ready for getting it right away. It cost Euro 1.799,- which is not so much overpriced.

I didn't take it.

Karl
Title: Re: Nvidia introduces new GPUs on Tuesday
Post by: nbrich1 on November 14, 2020, 07:37:40 AM
Ouch 1800 for a gpu!! Nah, just can't do it yet! A year ago put in the 2070 OC and just put in two new 1 TB SSD. Runs ok.  32 mb ram vs 16 mg ram- Is it worth the bang for the buck?
Title: Re: Nvidia introduces new GPUs on Tuesday
Post by: kaha on November 14, 2020, 07:49:25 AM
32 vs. 16 ---

It's for my client PC. I have 32GB in my sim PC anyway.

Yes, it helps. On the client PC I run Littlenavmap while flying on the sim PC. In addition I started to use Air Hauler 2 on the client PC and I want to shift CigarBox and ActiveSky to it as well. So, 32GB definitely make sense.

On the sim PC I don't know. I had P3D use ~20 GB RAM once.

Karl
Title: Re: Nvidia introduces new GPUs on Tuesday
Post by: corbu1 on November 14, 2020, 09:09:19 AM
In Germany the MSI Trio 3090 is at about 1900 € on preorder. so, the price you found wasn‘ that bad. Some online stores have the Zotac 3090 on stock. All other‘ s are still on preorder.
The Asus ROG 3090 OC is now at about 2050 €. I don‘t know if any customers got one so far......seems to be one of these miracle treasures people looking for but never find..... :(

I use my old flightsimPC i7 6700K 16GB now as client PC as well.
I have Littlenavmap and ActiveSky ASPD5 RC1 in network configuration with my flightsim pc.
My plan was to run REX Skyforce on the client, too. But this doesn‘t seem to work in network config. Only the weather engine is configurable for networking, not the rest of the app.