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Title: CTD
Post by: kaha on April 16, 2019, 10:10:09 AM
Since several hours I'm struggeling with P3D (V4.4) giving me a CTD.

I'm experiencing this CTD using the C-47 on leg 10 of route 7 at about 10 minutes into the flight (takeoff at PF17). Up to and including leg 9 everything was fine.

I tried 4 times now with different altitudes and flying into different directions and bang... crashed after ~10 minutes.

This is the first CTD I experience, never had one up to now. No other software running, except MSI afterburner for GPU vent control.

The C-47 is behaving ok, did 26 flights with it up to now. And I just did a checkflight from Seattle (DD addon) to Vancouver (FSDT addon) - with no problems. Also flights with other aircraft at various locations are ok. I did not install, remove or change anything in my P3D setup excep adding RTMM sceneries of course.

I suspect the location and/or content to cause this.

Any hints are much appreciated.

Thx,
Karl
Title: Re: CTD
Post by: kaha on April 16, 2019, 11:16:43 AM
I made further tests. I deactivated all RTMM scenery and the crash does not happen anymore. This is reproducable.

I assume that if there was anything wrong in the scenery it would be known by now. But maybe it's sometthing that causes problems just in my installation.

I will now track down which scenery it is.

Karl
Title: Re: CTD
Post by: nbrich1 on April 16, 2019, 01:34:07 PM
AI Traffic fixes in either Tongass AI Aircraft or RTMM AI traffic models? For P3Dv4x

Step table 9 and 10.
LINKS: http://return.mistymoorings.com/getting_started/index.php#9

Must do's are marked in RED



Title: Re: CTD
Post by: kaha on April 16, 2019, 02:24:01 PM
Norm, I just checked, I have the Tongass mod applied. And for RTMM I'm using your folder structure.

It seems, if I switch off Khutze River Lodge PF17 the crash doesn't appear anymore. I have to do more tests to be sure.

Karl
Title: Re: CTD
Post by: kaha on April 16, 2019, 04:21:19 PM
To be sure I did the following:

- deactivate Tongass Fjords
- deactivate all AI from RTMM
- deactivate all RTMM Simobjects for aircraft, boats, animals and ground vehicles
- set all AI traffic to zero in P3D options

The CTD is still there.

Maybe someone can please fly the same route at the same time. I attached a zip file with a saved flight. Departure at PF17, then follow the route shown in the attached screenshot. It doesn't really matter, but I was at 3000 ft MSL with speed 120 kts. The aircraft position in the screenshot is the location where the CTD occurs on my rig. I'm curious to know if this crash only happens on my PC.

Thx,
Karl
Title: Re: CTD
Post by: nbrich1 on April 16, 2019, 04:57:26 PM
Just finishing off a new OS install... Yup did that too but In the home stretch now.. sim is back on and just keying in the rest.. hopefully np. When done will give your flight a try (PF17) and we'll see what happens!.
4.4 right?

Norm
Title: Re: CTD
Post by: kaha on April 16, 2019, 05:00:19 PM
Yes, 4.4

So you have a new card? Great!


Karl
Title: Re: CTD
Post by: kaha on April 16, 2019, 05:07:36 PM
After 10 test flights I dare to say that the file

khutze_river_lodge_trees_rtmm_noseason.bgl

gives me the crash.

I made 5 flights with the file in: 5 crashes
5 flights with the file removed: no crashes

Hmmm......

Karl
Title: Re: CTD
Post by: nbrich1 on April 16, 2019, 09:23:10 PM
Ok Karl.. kinda shows that. (Haven't had a chance to load up and test but hopefully in the am). (I had some PC issues (Windows 10 file crap!) but getting there.

N
Title: Re: CTD
Post by: nbrich1 on April 16, 2019, 11:58:51 PM
Ok.. Tried that PF17 to south of your CTD location.. then back up again. @ 3000ft , at 120 kts.  Had no ctd anywhere around there. (and I made sure to have "those same no season.bgl's set).

Perhaps might try changing seasons with the switcher to spring, try the flight, then change back to no-season and run again just to see but sounds like something else might be at play here. No exactly sure what but something. 

Doug you have 4.4- can you try this run?

It was almost dusk but here are 3 screenies of the run through the channel.

Norm



Title: Re: CTD
Post by: kaha on April 17, 2019, 02:50:22 AM
Here are the last 5 flights I made. The short ones are the crashes.

Title: Re: CTD
Post by: kaha on April 17, 2019, 03:04:20 AM
Norm, did you load from my saved flight?
Title: Re: CTD
Post by: Dieter on April 17, 2019, 04:30:19 AM
I just flew your given route with given conditons two times no but I'm afraid I couldn't reproduce your problem.

- Did you see any ship traffic in the Inside Passage that could cause your problem?

Title: Re: CTD
Post by: kaha on April 17, 2019, 07:41:58 AM
I have all traffic deactivated. Even removed Tongass and all RTMM Simobjects and traffic.
Title: Re: CTD
Post by: ualani on April 17, 2019, 07:48:25 AM
What does your Windows Event Viewer\Windows Logs\Application log say?

Steve
Title: Re: CTD
Post by: kaha on April 17, 2019, 08:33:20 AM
Here it is. Always the exact same log.

Karl
Title: Re: CTD
Post by: kaha on April 17, 2019, 08:45:10 AM
Maybe it's related to my specific hardware configuration. I use a 2-way SLI setup with 2x 1080TI.
Title: Re: CTD
Post by: ualani on April 17, 2019, 09:14:16 AM
It has to be system specific since no one can duplicate your problem, and the fact that your crash log clearly indicates a Windows system error.

Steve
Title: Re: CTD
Post by: Dieter on April 17, 2019, 10:27:40 AM
Maybe it might sound a bit irrelevant, but: I read a long time ago in various forums that users experienced CTD's when using MSI Afterburner Software.
I also have an MSI graphics card, but do not use "Afterburner" software.

- Try again with disabled Afterburner software.

This is what one user reported:
Quote
I've found a solution which has allowed it to complete two full (11 hour) flights, which was msi afterburner limiting power to 80%, turning off vsync and limiting frames to 30
Title: Re: CTD
Post by: kaha on April 17, 2019, 12:28:38 PM
Dieter, it also crashes without afterburner. Same event log.
Title: Re: CTD
Post by: Dieter on April 17, 2019, 12:35:12 PM
That's weird! Sorry, no ideas anymore at this time.
Title: Re: CTD
Post by: kaha on April 17, 2019, 12:38:17 PM
I renamed the offending .bgl file. If have reactivated Tongass and all AI traffic for aircraft, boats and Nielsens boats and it works with no problems.

Would have been nice to find out why it crashes, but I'm with it as it is now.

Thx,
Karl
Title: Re: CTD
Post by: nbrich1 on April 17, 2019, 02:11:26 PM
By chance have you got a scenery switcher file conflict?

Check this:

You had >> khutze_river_lodge_trees_rtmm_noseason.bgl (Active)

So check your Khutze River Lodge scenery folder:
Is there any other form of "khutze_river_lodge_trees_rtmm" active (with a BGL extension?)

Check the rest: The should all have .OFF extention and not .BGL extension
khutze_river_lodge_trees_rtmm_fall.BGL
khutze_river_lodge_trees_rtmm_spring_spring.BGL
khutze_river_lodge_trees_rtmm_summer.BGL
khutze_river_lodge_trees_rtmm_winter.BGL
THese should all be .OFF and not .bgl.

If any are Bgl and also the noseason bgl they could be in conflict.

All the scenery switcher files for all RTMM scenery should be in-sync. If not, Rods file finder to fix works well.

Just a thought.
Title: Re: CTD
Post by: kaha on April 17, 2019, 02:20:56 PM
I did not use the scenery switcher until now. So all season files show. off. Only the noseason files have a. bgl extension.

Just completed that leg 10 in tour 7 with no further problems.

Karl
Title: Re: CTD
Post by: ualani on April 17, 2019, 07:20:20 PM
Based upon the application error log there was clearly an internal Windows error involved. Changing file names, deleting or inactivating scenery related files and then reactivating them shouldn't do a thing. Just a coincidence. The problem lies outside of RTMM.

Steve