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Title: Red Boat Wakes at Halibut Cove
Post by: rgerdes on November 01, 2016, 03:21:08 PM
Hi to RTMM

Got a shiny new computer
Installed the latest prepar3d v3
Got all my ORBX stuff installed
Been installing the RTMM sceneries
Got the shipping project with the 3.1 wake fix

But when I installed the Halibut Cove scenery and went to take a look around the boats have the red wakes
I added the Ground Decal=1 to the effects file but there must be something else because I still have the red wakes.
What to try next....

Thanks,
Bob - and thanks for all your great scenery..
Title: Re: Red Boat Wakes at Halibut Cove
Post by: Doug on November 01, 2016, 03:45:25 PM
Hi...do a search here for red wakes.

Doug
Title: Re: Red Boat Wakes at Halibut Cove
Post by: rgerdes on November 01, 2016, 05:09:03 PM
Hi Doug,
Did what you suggested and had already applied that fix
I think it only applies to the boats in the "RTMM Shipping Projects"?
Doesn't look like the boats in the Halibut Cove Scenery were included in the fix?
Title: Re: Red Boat Wakes at Halibut Cove
Post by: dexthom on November 01, 2016, 07:00:16 PM
The boats at Halibut are using a different version of AI (like Tongass Fjords)  the wake used by the fishing boats is: fx_wake_AI_fishing Boat.fx  and the Danny J and Stormbird use fx_wake_AI_Marignan.fx
Title: Re: Red Boat Wakes at Halibut Cove
Post by: rgerdes on November 01, 2016, 07:07:53 PM
and those three weren't fixed?
Title: Re: Red Boat Wakes at Halibut Cove
Post by: dexthom on November 01, 2016, 07:19:07 PM
They work for me,
Title: Re: Red Boat Wakes at Halibut Cove
Post by: dexthom on November 01, 2016, 08:05:16 PM
Did that help?
Title: Re: Red Boat Wakes at Halibut Cove
Post by: rgerdes on November 02, 2016, 02:26:09 AM
not so far - but I 've decided to play with something else for awhile  :)
Think I'll install yes bay - no boats there... ;)

Thanks for the help,

Bob
Title: Re: Red Boat Wakes at Halibut Cove
Post by: dexthom on November 02, 2016, 09:06:49 AM
The effects that I sent you are the ones that I use.  I do not see red wakes at halibut.
Title: Re: Red Boat Wakes at Halibut Cove
Post by: rgerdes on November 02, 2016, 11:50:40 PM
Played around with the halibut cove boats some more (stormbird and danny j) and no matter what I try I still get the red wake, Even tried completely removing the effects section from the cfg file and still get the red wake, It,s almost like the wake is hardwired into that boat.

Bob
Title: Re: Red Boat Wakes at Halibut Cove
Post by: dexthom on November 05, 2016, 03:09:57 PM
Here are the calls from the effect file: 

[Library Effect]
Lifetime=5
Version=2.00
Radius=-1
Priority=0

[Properties]

// WAKE Stern ========================================================

[Emitter.0]
Lifetime=0.00, 0.00
Delay=10.00, 10.00
Bounce=0.00
Rate=1.00, 1.00
X Emitter Velocity=0.00, 0.00
Y Emitter Velocity=0.00, 0.00
Z Emitter Velocity=0.00, 0.00
Drag=0.00, 0.00
X Particle Velocity=0.00, 0.00
Y Particle Velocity=0.00, 0.00
Z Particle Velocity=0.00, 0.00
X Offset=0.00, 0.00
Y Offset=0.00, 0.00
Z Offset=8.50, 8.50

[Particle.0]
Lifetime=9.0, 9.0
Type=21
X Scale=8.0, 10.0
Y Scale=8.0, 10.0
Z Scale=0.00, 0.00
X Scale Rate=0.06, 0.06
Y Scale Rate=0.07, 0.07
Z Scale Rate=0.00, 0.00
Drag=0.00, 0.00
Color Rate=0.11, 0.11
Fade In=0.05, 0.05
Fade Out=0.40, 0.40
Ground Normal=1
Ground Decal=1
Shade=1
Face=1, 0, 1

[ParticleAttributes.0]
Blend Mode=1
Texture=fx_wake_1.bmp
Bounce=0.00
Color Start=220, 220, 220, 80
Color End=220, 220, 220, 0
Jitter Distance=0.02
Jitter Time=1.00
uv1=0.00, 0.00
uv2=1.00, 1.00
X Scale Goal=42.00
Y Scale Goal=42.00 
Z Scale Goal=0.00
Extrude Length=10.00
Extrude Pitch Max=50.00 
Extrude Heading Max=10.00

// WAKE Side ============================================================

[Emitter.1]
Lifetime=0.00, 0.00
Delay=15.00, 15.00
Bounce=0.00
Rate=1.00, 1.00
X Emitter Velocity=0.00, 0.00
Y Emitter Velocity=0.00, 0.00
Z Emitter Velocity=0.00, 0.00
Drag=0.00, 0.00
X Particle Velocity=0.00, 0.00
Y Particle Velocity=0.00, 0.00
Z Particle Velocity=0.00, 0.00
X Offset=0.00, 0.00
Y Offset=0.00,  0.00
Z Offset=9.00, 9.00 

[Particle.1]
Lifetime=10.0, 10.0
Type=21
X Scale=10.0, 12.0
Y Scale=10.0, 12.0
Z Scale=0.00, 0.00
X Scale Rate=0.08, 0.08
Y Scale Rate=0.09, 0.09
Z Scale Rate=0.00, 0.00
Drag=0.00, 0.00
Color Rate=0.00, 0.00
Fade In=0.05, 0.05
Fade Out=0.50, 0.50
Ground Normal=1
Ground Decal=1
Shade=1
Face=1, 0, 1

[ParticleAttributes.1]
Blend Mode=1
Texture=fx_wake_2.bmp
Bounce=0.00
Color Start=238, 238, 238, 130
Color End=238, 238, 238, 0
Jitter Distance=0.02
Jitter Time=1.00
uv1=0.00, 0.00
uv2=1.00, 1.00
X Scale Goal=48.00                       
Y Scale Goal=48.00                         
Z Scale Goal=0.00
Extrude Length=20.00
Extrude Pitch Max=70.00
Extrude Heading Max=20.00


Title: Re: Red Boat Wakes at Halibut Cove
Post by: rgerdes on November 05, 2016, 07:11:07 PM
Hi Dexthom,

Thanks for the info - that's exactly how mine reads. Think this is a lost cause - something on my setup doesn't display the wakes on that particular boat. All the other RTMM shipping boats are right and Henrik's Global Shipping package works. It's only that one boat that is a problem.

Well, not exactly true because none of the Tongass Fjords boats have any wakes at all  ??? so It's got to be a setting peculiar to my setup.

Bob
Title: Re: Red Boat Wakes at Halibut Cove
Post by: dexthom on November 05, 2016, 09:20:43 PM
What version of P3D are you running?  I am attaching the config file that will cover the Danny J and Storm Bird.
Title: Re: Red Boat Wakes at Halibut Cove
Post by: rgerdes on November 05, 2016, 09:48:06 PM
I'm running the most current version: 3.4.9
I'll take a look at the config file...

Thanks

Edit: Damn  :) That was it.....!!!!
The effects section in your config was different then mine - the touchdown= section was totally different. It works now  :P
Thank you a bunch...

Got another question/request - I see you have a texture for a boat called the Dutch Treat - any chance I could get a copy of that texture please??

Reason I ask is I use to know a couple who ran a charter boat with that name - small world huh?

Thanks,

Bob
Title: Re: Red Boat Wakes at Halibut Cove
Post by: dexthom on November 06, 2016, 08:09:24 AM
Here you go...  It's too big to attach, here's a link, let me know when you get it.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zddnlz9lgisi5bt/Texture.Dutch%20Treat.zip?dl=0
Title: Re: Red Boat Wakes at Halibut Cove
Post by: rgerdes on November 06, 2016, 10:45:23 AM
Got it - thanks

Now if we could get the wakes to show up on the Tongass boats ..... :)

We need the resident guru to put on a training class in boat wakes - maybe over at FSDevelopers?

Thanks for all your help..

Bob
Title: Re: Red Boat Wakes at Halibut Cove
Post by: dexthom on November 06, 2016, 02:25:52 PM
What Tongass boats are you having a problem with?
Title: Re: Red Boat Wakes at Halibut Cove
Post by: rgerdes on November 06, 2016, 05:59:33 PM
Mainly the ferries (Leconte, Matanuska) and the USCG Anacapa - the boats show but no wakes....

Bob
Title: Re: Red Boat Wakes at Halibut Cove
Post by: dexthom on November 06, 2016, 07:15:49 PM
Open the attached zip and get the individual cfg files.
Title: Re: Red Boat Wakes at Halibut Cove
Post by: rgerdes on November 06, 2016, 08:01:55 PM
Got the airplane.cfg files installed - still no wakes.
Then on closer look  I don't have the effects called for in the cfg :
fx_wake_AI_Matanuska
fx_Wake_AI_Leconte
fx_Wake_AI_Anacapa
are all missing on my system

Bob
Title: Re: Red Boat Wakes at Halibut Cove
Post by: dexthom on November 07, 2016, 07:51:12 AM
Try these..
Title: Re: Red Boat Wakes at Halibut Cove
Post by: rgerdes on November 07, 2016, 12:00:43 PM
That did it!!
Good start for the day  ;D Stock market is up and the Tongass wakes work....
Wonder if I should put a link to this discussion over on the FSAddon forum?? With your permission of course..
Assume there are others who have just moved to Prepar3d and are "struggling" with Tongass like me.

Thanks a bunch,

Bob
Title: Re: Red Boat Wakes at Halibut Cove
Post by: spud on November 07, 2016, 12:04:30 PM
That did it!!
Good start for the day  ;D Stock market is up and the Tongass wakes work....
Wonder if I should put a link to this discussion over on the FSAddon forum?? With your permission of course..
Assume there are others who have just moved to Prepar3d and are "struggling" with Tongass like me.

Thanks a bunch,

Bob

AND .... we only have to endure ONE more day of campaigning!!  ;D
 8)
Title: Re: Red Boat Wakes at Halibut Cove
Post by: dexthom on November 07, 2016, 01:49:14 PM
Bob are you still hanging out at Petersburg?  Seems as though you were there when we beta tested Tongass.
Actually Fran├žois knows where we are because he let us use the vessels and the AI aircraft from Tongass.
Since Tongass Fjords is mandatory here, he gets a lot of business. 
Title: Re: Red Boat Wakes at Halibut Cove
Post by: rgerdes on November 07, 2016, 03:22:43 PM
Yup, still hanging out (actually retired) here in Petersburg.
Maybe to finish off this topic you might include the config and wake effects for the Tongass fishing boats. They don't work either. I substituted the Dutch Treat and another boat so it's no biggy for me..

Thanks,

Bob
Title: Re: Red Boat Wakes at Halibut Cove
Post by: dexthom on November 07, 2016, 06:14:09 PM
OK Bob here's to the fish...
Title: Re: Red Boat Wakes at Halibut Cove
Post by: dexthom on November 07, 2016, 06:44:14 PM
Here's the Fleet
Title: Re: Red Boat Wakes at Halibut Cove
Post by: rgerdes on November 07, 2016, 07:10:37 PM
Hey, thanks - phew, what a job...

You know they want over $15.00/lb. for King Salmon here now??

Oh, during your wanderings in the Tongass see if your windsocks and the icebergs in front of the glaciers are there.
They're missing for me - probably another comma out of place on my set up - I've only had it for about 3 weeks now so guess I'm not doing too bad.

Bob
Title: Re: Red Boat Wakes at Halibut Cove
Post by: dexthom on November 07, 2016, 07:40:38 PM
Sounds like you have it under control.
Title: Re: Red Boat Wakes at Halibut Cove
Post by: stiletto2 on November 08, 2016, 09:54:05 AM


....Oh, during your wanderings in the Tongass see if your windsocks and the icebergs in front of the glaciers are there.
They're missing for me - probably another comma out of place on my set up - I've only had it for about 3 weeks now so guess I'm not doing too bad.

Bob

Hi Bob,

On the RTMM Object Libraries download page, under Tongass Fjords X (TFX), there is a zip button to download the TFX Ice Floe & PAWG Patch 6-1-14.zip file which brings the ice floes (where glaciers meet the water) and some missing buildings at PAWG back for those who use P3D.  They work fine under FSX, but, since the objects were built using FS9 models, they do not display in P3D which does not display FS9 models without conversion.   The zip file provides the files and installation instructions.

The Tongass windsocks are not visible for same reasons as above.....however, fixing them would be really complicated and no one has done that at the present time.  See below for a detailed explanation on the windsock problem if you have nothing to do and want to read a bit more technical explanation on the missing or non-working windsocks.

Rod

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Here is the story on the Windsocks in TFX as well as the windsocks in many other scenery addons, including RTMMs scenery and ORBX full fat regions:

Back around 2005, when Microsoft ACES was updating FS9 to develop the new FSX version, one of the things they changed was how the models in FSX would work.  Performance had been a big issue with FS9 and, possibly to improve performance,  ACES reduced the parameter set for the new native FSX 3D objects (MDL files) and removed the ability to implement conditional display of MDL files.  The ability to show wind direction (e.g. a windsock) as the simulator changed the current wind direction requires conditional display as does opening or closing a gate when a vehicle approaches etc.  The full impact of this decision was not felt immediately because ACES also included an object processing module in their new release that kept FS9 compatibility.   So, the loss of the conditional display parameter was noticed, but scenery developers simply used the FS9 models when they needed conditional display.   Since, FSX was the last version Microsoft and the ACES team produced, we will never know if they had a different plan for FS11 to address conditional change. 

Time passed and Lockheed Martin produced P3Dv1 which was still based on the FSX objects and still had the FS9 compatibility module.  Lockheed then developed P3Dv2 which retained FSX object compatibility and introduced P3Dv2 native objects.   Just like ACES used to do with each version, Lockheed then dropped compatibility with objects that were 2nd generation, in this case, FS9 compatibility. 

This change had a huge impact on the flight sim scenery world since many sceneries used FS9 based objects which became invisible with the intro of P3Dv2.  The solution for RTMM and some other scenery developers was to convert their object libraries (containing the MDL files) to be native FSX objects so that their sceneries would work with P3Dv2 as well as FSX.   At this point, the loss of the conditional change parameter became very problematic.  All conditional change objects (like windsocks etc.) would no longer display in P3Dv2 and, when converted to be FSX objects so they could be seen, they lost their ability to react to conditional changes like wind direction.   Today P3Dv3 still supports FSX native objects as well as P3Dv2/3  native objects, but Lockheed, as far as I know, has not added a conditional change parameter. 

ORBX is now using their Object Flow module to control windsocks at their payware airports.  However, as far as I know, many of their windsocks at small airports in their full fat regions still do not work since it would take a lot of effort to go back and make each one work with Object Flow.

A few developers are using P3D's SimObject API to achieve conditional display but this requires a set of complexities that RTMM has not delved into at the present time.
Title: Re: Red Boat Wakes at Halibut Cove
Post by: rgerdes on November 08, 2016, 12:42:38 PM
Hi Rod

Thanks for the explanation - it all makes sense now  ???
Got another question for either you or Dex:

Has anyone figured out how to tame the smoke on the Leconte and I assume the Matanuska (I haven't actually seen it yet but assume it's the same); at a distance it looks like a large dirty fuzz ball. The RTMM shipping models don't do this so they are obviously calling a different smoke texture. Can it be replaced?

I noticed the same problem with the AI planes I brought into p3d using  thenicksmoke effect and just turned it off for now.

Thanks, Bob
Title: Re: Red Boat Wakes at Halibut Cove
Post by: dexthom on November 08, 2016, 06:22:38 PM
You can edit the effect file in notepad.  Make a backup copy and play away.
Title: Re: Red Boat Wakes at Halibut Cove
Post by: rgerdes on November 08, 2016, 06:27:37 PM
Any idea which effect file is being called for the Leconte smoke?
It's not obvious looking at the aircraft.cfg

Edit:  Never mind  :) I figured out how to turn it off - will play with it later......

Bob
Title: Re: Red Boat Wakes at Halibut Cove
Post by: rgerdes on September 03, 2017, 08:25:25 PM
Got another request re Tongass boats - for Dex...
I've noticed I have no wakes for the little Tongass boats; the 20, 30 and 40 footers.
Don't see them very often so not a problem - but if you have them Dex, would appreciate copies,
Thanks,
Bob