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Title: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: stiletto2 on January 27, 2015, 08:51:05 AM: Hi all,

Just read on ORBX forum that ORBX users should not be in rush to get Prepar3Dv2.5 when it releases as ORBX has to make some changes to get things to work again. See this post:

http://www.orbxsystems.com/forum/topic/91641-please-delay-your-move-to-p3d25-until-we-ship-some-new-files/ (http://www.orbxsystems.com/forum/topic/91641-please-delay-your-move-to-p3d25-until-we-ship-some-new-files/)

Also read that Prepar3Dv2.5 will require a complete re-install since it is changing certain folder structures. That is not good news.

Rod
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: SRAces on January 27, 2015, 09:07:10 AM: I've been following it as well and might hold off and watch the online forums to see what the new files structure does to folks with current addons. The issue with the file structure might be easily overcome depending on what they changed. The fact that Lockheed-Martin is constantly working to make it better is a plus, but the jury is still out for me as far as upgrading to version 2.5.
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: Doug on January 27, 2015, 04:16:24 PM: I've really got mine running smoothly right now (Prob with Plan-G but that's separate). It will have to take a darned interesting "update" to get me to move to the next version. When it is all working so smoothly i don't know what improvements they could make. Looks like they are doing a lot with the observer, cameras, etc, I don't use those.

Doug
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: stiletto2 on January 27, 2015, 10:10:09 PM: Well one key thing they are supposed to have fixed is the problem with not showing the effects if you don't recycle the engine. When I fly to someplace I like to see the smoke coming out of the chimneys without have to do a recycle.

Rod
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: spud on January 27, 2015, 11:09:42 PM: I'm not a P3D guy but the biggest problem I see from the ORBX post by JV is that while P3D v2.5 probably works OK in and of itself there is potentially a major problem porting ORBX scenery to the new version. No ORBX scenery means no RTMM scenery also. I would sure wait until the issue with ORBX has been worked out before jumping on the latest and greatest P3D as so many people seem to do right out of the gate.
8)
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: ualani on January 28, 2015, 12:03:02 AM: I'd sure hate to be working for ORBX right now.
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: dexthom on January 28, 2015, 08:37:53 AM: They need to heed JV's warning. "I will announce when we've tested our fixes and you can move to 2.5 "
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: dexthom on February 10, 2015, 09:02:54 PM: Prepar3d V2.5 has been released. I have it in hand. I burnt it to three dvd disk and will go into a holding pattern until Orbx does their thing. I have made backup copies of scenery.cfg, dll.xml, prepar3d.cfg and exe.xml.
When the time comes I will rename my existing folder and do an uninstall. That should remove it form the registry and leave my folder with all my scenery and critical configs that I can move over after I get the go to install 2.5. Good Luck to all....
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: jeff3163 on February 10, 2015, 11:00:18 PM: Thanks Dex, 8)
Download commencing. I'll store the files (P3Dv2.5+SDK) on my HD until later and wait for the Orbx update to come out. ;)
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: Bradallen43 on February 11, 2015, 06:25:57 AM: Waiting for the report back from you guys first.

Thanks for taking the first steps. I'm really over this install/uninstall procedure anymore.

"I Just Want to Fly.... "
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: SRAces on February 11, 2015, 09:44:16 AM: I installed version 2.5 the night it came out. Been under the weather the past few days. I plan on tackling the scenery installs by the weekend and can post back how it went. My custom scenery I was building was there after I installed V2.5 (even with the few MM objects). I did not go look to see if everything was removed or parts were still in the folders after I uninstalled V2.4 and just installed 2.5 back into the same directory on my non-boot drive.

Still dragging, but at work today...lol.
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: FSRobert on February 11, 2015, 03:58:51 PM: Holy moly, sure glad I read this thread. I will go into a holding pattern with 2.5 gezzzz I was very VERY close to removing 2.4 and installing 2.5 in fact just wrote a mail to the team about it

Thanks Rod for this post.
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: jeff3163 on February 11, 2015, 07:22:17 PM: Quote from: FSRobert on February 11, 2015, 03:58:51 PM
Holy moly, sure glad I read this thread. I will go into a holding pattern with 2.5 gezzzz I was very VERY close to removing 2.4 and installing 2.5 in fact just wrote a mail to the team about it

Thanks Rod for this post.

Whew! I was worried when your email said you were gonna install 2.5. Glad you came here and saw the thread FIRST. Yay! :)
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: NeptuneP2V7 on February 12, 2015, 07:37:34 AM: Hi all members RTMM users P3D

after your install don't miss to delete this folder into C:\Users\All Users\Package Cache

All 11 giga be deleted on your hard drive C:/ and if you have another Folders in it, you can easly delet. whitout inconvenient .

that awesome for free space DD ;)

Patrick
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: SRAces on February 12, 2015, 04:47:39 PM: I've been under the weather for the past few days., so I took today and Friday off from work. I initially uninstalled P3D v2.4 and left all the folders in the original locations. Installed and activated V2.5 with no issues.

On starting P3D v2.5 you get a lot of Orbx Object flow errors, so I went into the file that controls those and disabled them. I figure when they releas updates, then I'll update them. Not worried about Object Flow at the moment.

I haven't been able to verify what was affected outside of my Orbyx areas (i.e. scenery textures, mesh, etc.) but it's all still listed in the World Scenery Library. I would suggest backing up your scenery.cfg and terrain.cfg files before loading P3D v2.5. Those are the files that really affect the scenery.

So far my MM scenery and Orbyx scenery shows up perfectly. My only issue is the Tongass region. Re-installing did not help. Will keep playing with it.

Instant Scenery doesn't work. I know there will be an update for that! OPUS FSI weather still works as well as REX. That's it so far. Crisper colors and beter frame rates so far.

****Update**** Orbx is messed up as well. Might be able to determine the cause. Will report back.
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: NeptuneP2V7 on February 12, 2015, 06:08:39 PM: Yep
For ORBX "wait for" last librairies and the new people flow for P3D2.5 .

Patrick
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: Dragnhorn on February 13, 2015, 02:13:28 AM: Downloaded the new 2.5 P3D but will wait to uninstall 2.4 and make the move. ORBX is definitely working hard to deal with ObjectFlow dll compatibility and esp the change in folder structure concerning where files are located in 2.5. I've seen plenty of "work arounds" and manual edits going on but I will not even go there! I'd say to just relax, enjoy RTMM in FSX and P3Dv2.4 and be patient. There will be updates soon enough. :)
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: NeptuneP2V7 on February 13, 2015, 01:14:59 PM: Hi Dragnhorn
I do the same .... And there is no more différence 2.4 to 2.5 .... May be i stay in 2.4 and waiting for major changement for next version....

Patrick
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: spud on February 13, 2015, 01:26:35 PM: Just reiterate Do NOT install P3D v2.5 AND ORBX software. ORBX has posts that Lockeed Martin's new v2.5 has major problems with ORBX scenery installation. Wait until ORBX has worked out the problems with LM. ORBX will announce when things are working again.
8)
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: SRAces on February 13, 2015, 03:22:46 PM: Quote from: spud on February 13, 2015, 01:26:35 PM
Just reiterate Do NOT install P3D v2.5 AND ORBX software. ORBX has posts that Lockeed Martin's new v2.5 has major problems with ORBX scenery installation. Wait until ORBX has worked out the problems with LM. ORBX will announce when things are working again.
8)

Well some of us like to piddle especially since we can always reload everything...lol. I didn't uninstall anything on my setup except 2.4 and left everything else intact. I did back up my terrain and scenery config files before doing so. I thought I had the issue solved until I looked at the large water bodies in the sim. They were all wooded areas. So that told me the issue was a terrain configuration one.

LM moved the terrain.cfg file out of the main P3D folder to a ProgramData\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v2\ folder. I copied the terrain.cfg file over to that location and now I see everything in the right perspective.

Pretty sure the 2 areas Orbx is working on fixing is "object flow" and the installers "FTX Central". The current FTX Central applications update the terrain.cfg file in the old location. I will assume copying the terrain.cfg file over the the Program Data location after applying all your regions would do the trick.

In other words, place a copy of the terrain.cfg in Program Data in the old location. Do your updates/installs, the copy the terrain.cfg file back to Program Data.

I may be off base, but it works for me.
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: Doug on February 13, 2015, 03:46:22 PM: I wonder why they would change that part of the file structure ... a "call" is a "call" regardless where it comes from. No wonder ORBX is going nuts. It would be interesting to know their "reasoning" for this. But your explanation is right on, Al and it makes sense. I've got 2.5 ready to go, but like Brad, I'm going to enjoy flying for a while instead of messing it all up! :-) I also understand now why FSDiscover! isn't happening ... the guy that makes IS3 makes FSDiscover! Just about the time he gets the platform solid, LM changes the structure on him. We may never see FSDiscover! again ... and that would be a real shame.

We really are pretty spoiled, if you look at the improvement of 2.4 over FSX, it is really amazing.
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: SRAces on February 13, 2015, 04:52:54 PM: I have noticed a lot better frame rates and more vibrant colors in some situations. It's my understanding that PrecipFX works 100% in v2.5. I have that add-on loaded, but have not seen a difference yet. The one thing PrecipFX did was to make the rain and snow look better. No more tunnel effect either. Antialiasing still needs work, but other than that it does feel improved over 2.4 in some areas. The bridges do look better and I haven't run into any shimmering yet.

Will have to hold off my scenery work until IS3 is updated, but I can wait.
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: Doug on February 14, 2015, 11:15:40 AM: (Off Topic ... Steve, where do you find PrecipFX? - Doug)
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: SRAces on February 14, 2015, 11:50:32 AM: Quote from: Doug on February 14, 2015, 11:15:40 AM
(Off Topic ... Steve, where do you find PrecipFX? - Doug)

Here: http://fsfx.oldprop.com/en/precipitFX/
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: jeff3163 on February 14, 2015, 12:35:30 PM: Quote from: SRAces on February 14, 2015, 11:50:32 AM
Quote from: Doug on February 14, 2015, 11:15:40 AM
(Off Topic ... Steve, where do you find PrecipFX? - Doug)

Here: http://fsfx.oldprop.com/en/precipitFX/
Yay!!! No more "cone of rain". That is great. Thanks. Worth the $15 and website registration hoops, I'd say. Looking forward to the precip effects for P3D coming soon. 8)

No more "cone".
(http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/jeff3163/MOON/Flight%20Simulator%20X%20Files/2015/Prepar3D%202015-02-14%2009-39-28-10.jpg~original)

Precipitation layer fills my triple monitor completely when zoomed out. Yay!
(http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/jeff3163/MOON/Flight%20Simulator%20X%20Files/2015/Prepar3D%202015-02-14%2009-51-24-43.jpg~original)
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: NeptuneP2V7 on February 15, 2015, 08:25:55 AM: Hi good Sunday all
i confirm precipFX is nice enhancement . I use it for few months now on P3D

(http://www.fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2015/02/14/2015-2-12_21-49-51-473.jpg)

Happy landing

Patrick
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: jsapair on February 15, 2015, 08:41:35 PM: How does precipFX tie in if you're already running REX and ASN? Does it just affect those particular textures? This is above my pay grade.
JJ
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: NeptuneP2V7 on February 16, 2015, 02:56:21 AM: Hi jsapair look at here http://fsfx.oldprop.com/en/precipitFX/

and no problem with REX or/and ASN

Patrick
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: smpetty on February 19, 2015, 01:23:10 PM: The new Orbx libs for P3D v2.5 are out. I reinstalled the whole FTX/Orbx scenery universe yesterday using the new libraries and everything works wonderfully. I did have to reinstall the new library files occasionally when FTX Central crashed with an error in locating terrain.cfg.

Here's the link and helpful info for reinstallation...

http://www.orbxsystems.com/forum/topic/92886-orbxlibs-150215-released-features-new-objectflow-dll-patched-ftx-central/
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: mokeiko on February 19, 2015, 11:41:52 PM: Hi guys,

For Tongass Fjords install, I used the following method:

1. Copy Terrain.cfg (make a backup) file from your c:\ProgramData\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D folder to your main Preapr3dv2.5 folder
2. Create FSX.exe and place in main Preapr3dv2.5 folder (copy the p3d.exe and rename it)
3. Enable E*T tool
4. Install Tongass Fjords scenery, pointing to Preapr3dv2.5 folder
5. Disable E*T tool
6. Move terrain.cfg from Preapr3dv2.5 folder to c:\ProgramData\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D folder

I hope this helps

Francisco
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: Bradallen43 on February 20, 2015, 07:39:54 AM: Thank you for these steps to move up to 2.5.

Brad
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: SRAces on February 20, 2015, 09:41:44 AM: Quote from: mokeiko on February 19, 2015, 11:41:52 PM
Hi guys,

For Tongass Fjords install, I used the following method:

1. Copy Terrain.cfg (make a backup) file from your c:\ProgramData\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D folder to your main Preapr3dv2.5 folder
2. Create FSX.exe and place in main Preapr3dv2.5 folder (copy the p3d.exe and rename it)
3. Enable E*T tool
4. Install Tongass Fjords scenery, pointing to Preapr3dv2.5 folder
5. Disable E*T tool
6. Move terrain.cfg from Preapr3dv2.5 folder to c:\ProgramData\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D folder

I hope this helps

Francisco

Francisco,

Thanks for those steps. For those that have the Flight Sim Estonia Migration Tool, that still works with P3DV2.5. The key to remember is that whenever you install scenery (mostly area scenery versus individual airport scenery) without installers designed specifically for P3DV2.5, they still look for a terrain.cfg in the primary P3D folder to update. LM moved that terrain.cfg to the Program Data area outside of the previous main P3D folder location.

Just let the installers update the terrain.cfg file in the main folder and then just copy it to the Program Data location. It does not hurt anything to leave the terrain.cfg in the primary folder. That way the next time you add something it will have the terrain data appended to it and then all you have to do is copy the terrain.cfg file over again. Simple process.

Several of the folks I know with Tongass have had no issues installing this way.
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: mokeiko on February 20, 2015, 02:32:42 PM: Thank you Steve for that information about leaving the Terrain.cfg in the main folder. I wasn't sure if it was safe to just leave it there.

fly safe

Francisco
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: jeff3163 on February 21, 2015, 02:49:17 AM: Finally installing P3Dv2.5

Success! 8) So far, so good. I did have trees in the water after initial upgrade to 2.5, but then I remembered this thread. I had a copy of terrain.cfg from before, so I deactivated the new ones, and pasted the saved one in both spots.
Eureka! The trees are gone. My boat is floating again.

Before starting the v2.5 installer, I deactivated the 2.4 P3D.exe file by adding a ".off", then ran the 2.5 installer right over my current 2.4 folder. All scenery is intact, and a new library installed.
I've also installed the version 2.5 SDK package as well. Now I need a new Instant Scenery III dll update. 8)

Checking out the AI Shipping in P3Dv2.5 - Look who I found!
(http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/jeff3163/MOON/Flight%20Simulator%20X%20Files/2015/Prepar3D%202015-02-20%2023-39-39-61.jpg~original)

(http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/jeff3163/MOON/Flight%20Simulator%20X%20Files/2015/Prepar3D%202015-02-20%2023-38-21-67.jpg~original)

(http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/jeff3163/MOON/Flight%20Simulator%20X%20Files/2015/Prepar3D%202015-02-20%2023-38-43-73.jpg~original)
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: FSRobert on February 23, 2015, 06:13:45 AM: Hi Jeff from Venice Florida...on vacation but simply can not stay away from the forums.

Are you saying no need to uninstall v2.4 simply disable the P3D.exe then run the 2.5 installer and everything worked with all sceney's and aircraft addon's with using the terrain cfg tweak?

If so, that is epic to know!
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: jeff3163 on February 23, 2015, 07:38:37 AM: Quote from: FSRobert on February 23, 2015, 06:13:45 AM
Hi Jeff from Venice Florida...on vacation but simply can not stay away from the forums.

Are you saying no need to uninstall v2.4 simply disable the P3D.exe then run the 2.5 installer and everything worked with all sceney's and aircraft addon's with using the terrain cfg tweak?

If so, that is epic to know!

Yes. ;) So far, so good. 8)
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: dexthom on February 23, 2015, 08:10:14 AM: Since some files were relocated to other areas in ver 2.5 you may have some files in areas that they don't belong. I am not sure about the registry. I just renamed the existing P3D folder and made a new folder with the original name. I did an uninstall on P3Dv2 to clean the registry. I then installed v2.5, ran it to create the config files then copied things over from the old to the new. The new version doesn't have an Addon Scenery or a Modules folder so I just copied those intact. There are numerous ways that this can be done. Think about it, Plan it, Do it!
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: Bradallen43 on February 23, 2015, 09:54:12 AM: Taking the plunge from P3D 2.4 to 2.5 today. Oh boy.

Brad
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: Doug on February 24, 2015, 09:32:28 AM: Yeah, me too. Tried putting it in, then copying simobjects, etc over to it ... it crashed. Re-installing, guess I'll add things the hard way?
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: Bradallen43 on February 24, 2015, 10:01:40 AM: Yes I am going with a fresh vanilla installation of P3D 2.5. Then I'll just copy over some scenery files from my previous installation that I saved my Addon Scenery from.

It's a tedious and time consuming process but I'm not confident in all the different ways people are suggesting of doing a swap from 2.4-2.5, reinstall, overwrite, what have you. I'm taking Lockheeds recommended installation instructions for a new install as the best way for me to do a fresh install of P3D 2.5.

Step one is done. Prepar3D v2.5 is up and running. Now to take the next steps and install a fresh new scenery library with all the ORBX regions, airports, OPUS, RTMM, etc.

I'm looking forward to it.

Brad
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: dexthom on February 24, 2015, 12:37:54 PM: Don't forget there is a hotfix for 2.5 The ASN fix is at: http://www.hifitechinc.com/forums/sh...FSX-SE-and-P3D
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: stiletto2 on February 24, 2015, 01:12:15 PM: Hi Dex,

I cannot get that link to work.

Rod
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: dexthom on February 24, 2015, 01:19:21 PM: Try this one Rod...

http://www.hifitechinc.com/forums/showthread.php?4338-ASN-SP2-OPEN-BETA-For-FSX-FSX-SE-and-P3D
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: dexthom on February 24, 2015, 01:26:36 PM: Quote from: Doug on February 24, 2015, 09:32:28 AM
Yeah, me too. Tried putting it in, then copying simobjects, etc over to it ... it crashed. Re-installing, guess I'll add things the hard way?

Don't forget that you need a new version of FSUIPC to work with 2.5. You can get that at Pete Dawson's site. There is also a hotfix for 2.5 which breaks ASN. Go to their site and get the latest beta.
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: stiletto2 on February 24, 2015, 04:17:38 PM: Quote from: dexthom on February 24, 2015, 01:19:21 PM
Try this one Rod...

http://www.hifitechinc.com/forums/showthread.php?4338-ASN-SP2-OPEN-BETA-For-FSX-FSX-SE-and-P3D

Yep that worked. Thanks.

Rod
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: NeptuneP2V7 on February 26, 2015, 06:32:36 PM: Quote from: jeff3163 on February 21, 2015, 02:49:17 AM
Finally installing P3Dv2.5

Success! 8) So far, so good. I did have trees in the water after initial upgrade to 2.5, but then I remembered this thread. I had a copy of terrain.cfg from before, so I deactivated the new ones, and pasted the saved one in both spots.
Eureka! The trees are gone. My boat is floating again.

Before starting the v2.5 installer, I deactivated the 2.4 P3D.exe file by adding a ".off", then ran the 2.5 installer right over my current 2.4 folder. All scenery is intact, and a new library installed.
I've also installed the version 2.5 SDK package as well. Now I need a new Instant Scenery III dll update. 8)

HI dear JEFF : if you are in V2.5 for be exact : do you have this in your root folder P3D 2.5

Main.dll 134k du 17/02/2015
SimDirector.dll 4540k du 17/02/2015
Learning Center.chm 72 243k du 17/02/2015

Right click / Properties/ Prepar3D.exe: 2.5.12943.0 (Prepar3D.20150217-1442)

IF you don' have this you are always in 2.4 or an hybrid 2.4.5 ;D
I say this because LM sayed to uninstall 2.4 before

Patou
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: jeff3163 on February 26, 2015, 07:41:29 PM: Quote
IF you don' have this you are always in 2.4 or an hybrid 2.4.5

Hi Patou,
Yes, I do have those three files in my root directory. They are all version 2.5.12943.0 files. Thanks. ;)
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: NeptuneP2V7 on February 28, 2015, 06:01:12 AM: Thanks for JEFF Incredible :o :o :o
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: jfail on April 02, 2015, 02:27:57 PM: I got everything working in P3D 2.5. The only problem I have found is that all of my detail of the waterfront at Petersburg is not showing. The docks, cannery etc. are not showing. The houses in the Petersburg area etc. are showing ok. The ferry, USCGC Anacapa, buoys etc. all appear just none of the docks etc.
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: Bradallen43 on April 02, 2015, 03:45:25 PM: JFail,

Since Petersburg is in the Tongass Fjords X scenery, I would run that program's "Repair" utility and see if that makes any difference. If you run the installation routine for Tongass Fjords X again, I believe it will offer a "Repair" selection. Select that and see if if takes care of these issues you're having.

If not, we'll help you sort it out.

Brad
Title: Re: Prepar3D 2.5 Update Problems
Post by: jfail on April 02, 2015, 06:45:24 PM: Hi Brad,

Thanks for your response and suggestion. I tried to install again but there was no "repair" facility.

My problems with TF actually go back aways. When I used the Estonia migrator to install TF back in the P3D 1.x days it always worked perfect other than Holger had to help me get the terrain.cfg file sorted out. Even back then (there are very old posts on this board) I had problems trying to run the TF Configuration utility on Windows 7 64 bit. I cannot remember the gentlemans name on here who responded with a test version specific to 64 bit and it worked.

Now that we are into the 2.x versions of P3D I have had a couple of problems with installing TF using the Estonia Migrator. Paavo obviously is having difficulties getting a stable version of the migrator. There are numerous very recent posts on his forum with people having problems with the migrator.

In 2013 (I believe) I installed TF into P3D 2.X using the migrator and it worked fine except I ran into the TF configurator problem again where if I ran it a blank window came up similar to the problems in the past (see screenshot004 attached). i installed the 64 bit version and started getting fatal errors from the TF configurator. Oddly enough if I ran the Migrator and then ran the TF configurator it worked perfectly. When I turned the migrator off and ran the TF configurator again I would get the fatal error (see screenshot 005 attached). I posted about it on this forum but apparently no one else encountered the problem other than me so I just guessed I had some sort of strange problem but TF scenery etc. ran perfectly in P3D 2.X so I just ignored it.

When P3D 2.5 came out I reformatted Drive C, reinstalled Windows 7 Pro 64 bit and reinstalled P3D 2.5 from the ground up. As I mentioned earlier the migrator has some serious problems in recent days. I did use it to install TF and all went well. I saw the terrain.cfg file discussed on this forum and was careful to preserve it as well as a copy of the original terrain.cfg.

I now am encountering the same problems with TF on P3D 2.5.12945.0 that I had in the past. This even though I have carefully rebuilt P3D 2.5, TF etc. It is a stretch for me to believe that something is wrong with my installation.

Possibly I am using a old version of TF (FSAD Tongass_Fjords_x_SM.EXE 6/29/2009) and there is something newer that I am not aware of.

Edit: apparently the forum only allows the upload of one .png file. The screenshot 004 does not seem to appear.