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Title: Hospitals
Post by: sddinnh on February 27, 2015, 12:08:07 PM
I was wondering about the feasibility of putting hospitals in the major metropolitan areas like Juneau, Sitka, Ketchikan and maybe Haines.  It would give the helo guys some place to build flights around after flying from pickups at the outlaying areas.  If we used the "stock" generic hospitals in the buildings group, they have helipads on their roofs which also make for some interesting landing opportunities.
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: jeff3163 on February 27, 2015, 12:50:44 PM
That sounds like a good idea.   8)
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: Doug on February 27, 2015, 01:03:52 PM
Steve ... I put it on the "project list" on the bottom table on the top of the FAQ page. We could give this one some thought.  We'd need a list of where they should be and exactly which objects should be used. And we have to remember they must have a hard surface ... many objects do not. If we put them into "real" places, then we should make sure we have the lat/long correct so they will be "real."  I'm good for exploring this. (I don't have IS3 now with the new P3D 2.5).  But we could start looking for locations and selecting the object that is to be used. If folks want to join in on this, have at it.  To me lit is like the windsocks and fuel triggers ... we can place them in a single download folder. "RTMM Medical Facilities" or something like that.

Doug
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: Bradallen43 on February 27, 2015, 01:34:41 PM
I'm trying to see the link for us and how we tie it together in our focus as a bush flying operation. I'm not too keen on designing city scenery objects but I can agree that it's something to consider.

Brad
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: ualani on February 27, 2015, 02:20:04 PM
I Agree with Brad. Not bush scenery or related.
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: Doug on February 27, 2015, 02:33:42 PM
If you crashed your bush plane out in the middle of nowhere, it would be nice to have a hospital to go to if a helo picked you up.  Wouldn't do a think for "bush" flying, but "heli" flying it might be interesting. We can continue to discuss it.  I put one in a the village at Owikeeno and another at Dean River.
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: sddinnh on February 27, 2015, 03:03:11 PM
I'm trying to see the link for us and how we tie it together in our focus as a bush flying operation. I'm not too keen on designing city scenery objects but I can agree that it's something to consider.

Brad

I understand what you're saying Brad, but it seems to me (and I may not be very good at explaining this) that one of the main objects of Misty Moorings is simply to get people to fly into the neet scenery areas you are building in the bush.  There are lots of reasons for the fixed wing pilots to fly to the scenery areas, like transporting people or cabin inspections.  Well, for helicopter pilots, going to a remote place to make a rescue pickup is a reason to fly to someplace in the scenery.  This simply gives the helo pilots a legitimate place to return to instead of simply returning to the airport.

I didn't mean to start a controversy, and it's no big deal, I was simply looking for another venue for the helo pilots to use.  I could simply build it on my own, but I thought if the group did it, everyone could enjoy it.
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: jeff3163 on February 27, 2015, 03:22:12 PM
If you crashed your bush plane out in the middle of nowhere, it would be nice to have a hospital to go to if a helo picked you up.  Wouldn't do a think for "bush" flying, but "heli" flying it might be interesting. We can continue to discuss it.  I put one in a the village at Owikeeno and another at Dean River.

I agree with this.  We do have mountain and sea rescue missions available here.  So hospitals make sense.  (No "cityscaping", just hospital buildings to land on.)  We have characters with broken legs and hypothermia.  They would not agree that it's "not related".   ;) 
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: Doug on February 27, 2015, 05:39:31 PM
No, no 'city-scaping" ... just an object here and there like a windsock.  Lets keep thinking about it, we'll see how the discussion goes.

D
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: Bradallen43 on February 27, 2015, 07:07:35 PM
No worries. I'm all in favor of including helicopter operations even though I don't fly one. You can ask Klaus and the other helo folk here. Just have a go at the Kildala Pass powerlines scenery I did and you'll have a fun Helo experience, I guarantee that. I added a lot of helicopter friendly scenery at CIRP when I designed that stuff so, I am a fan. Actually adding some helo friendly pads as I write this to an unannounced scenery I'm working on too. Rooftop? Check. Forest wooden structures? Check. Factory? Check.
 I just needed to see some storyline and now I have one. I like the rescue possibilities where you're stationed at a hospital, you go out there and back, pick up the injured and return to base. I think I have an idea or two that I might just be able to put together for us.

Thanks for the suggestions and keep 'em coming.

Brad

 
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: stiletto2 on February 27, 2015, 07:20:40 PM
Hi Steve,

Have you been looking at my project in the Seward area?   In Alaska, knowing how to get to a trauma center via helicopter is important.   I have been doing a lot of work on the background locations for the new scenery that I am working on (all object will be using the standard RTMM Library set) and one of the things that came up was not only the location of a Level IV trauma center (Providence Medical Center in Seward) with helicopter landing capability but also where the emergency helicopter landing spots were in the less populated areas.  In addition, I have placed a "standard building" hospital with roof helipad in Anchorage at the Providence Medical Center location which was just verified as a Level II trauma center so the our rotary users will be able to fly patients to Seward or to Anchorage depending on the patient needs .  All will be included in a scenery area that I hope will be ready sometime next month.

See below for a couple of preview pics of my slight modifications to Seward and Anchorage to depict the "standard" medical buildings which I have placed there to support the emergency helicopter pickup spots in the bush.  Don't want to leave helicopter pilots with nothing to do  :)

Rod 
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: Trex3D on February 27, 2015, 08:34:07 PM
Bravo Rod, Brad and RTMM team! Thanks for recognizing that some of us RTMM fans here fly whirlybirds or helos which have unique, flexible capabilities and able to handle tasks not usually done by or in order to complement its fixed-wing brethren. Among these would be confined space operations or VTOLs due to lack of suitable runways/airfields (which may be bush flying scenerios)  in order to perform SAR, surgical firefighting,  HEMS/medevac, cargo slingloads, to name a few.. I have flown in some non-RTMM scenery areas with landable hospital or building rooftop heliports and even at forest fire lookout towers with wooden helipads. It's a combination of fun, challenge and thrill helicopter pilots understand very well while at the same time thinking on how to execute a transitional hover upon approach and do soft landing. I recall that feeling first time I flew and landed at the Kildala Pass powerlines pad, simply indescribable  :P

With the virtual world of RTMM, anything is possible to accommodate each of our preferred bush flying needs and preference which are dependent on the interest, talent and tools the team and members have... It just a matter of balancing realism with imagination, right?  ???

sddinnh,

Thanks for bringing up your sensible suggestion in behalf of the helo flyers here who want to engage in medevac ops/HEMS. Imagine the number of virtual lives it will save for the time to come..in the RTMM world, of course  ;)
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: ualani on February 28, 2015, 08:26:26 AM
OK, now I understand what the desire is. I thought it was a city scaping request being made.
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: Doug on February 28, 2015, 08:40:51 AM
Oh lordy no! :-)  I can barely get a campsite to look real, I ain't takin' on Manhattan!  Just a little object here and there. I think there is a small medical building we have that would be nice out at some of the remote airports like the little sea plane bases in Tongass. But it would be fun to try to keep them as real as possible as for locations.  We have a red cross helipad somewhere (I have it a the med center at Machmel Village in Owikeeno). That and the little building would be all we would need (and of course the ever-present windsock!).  Hospitals will be in "city" areas, but I'm wondering about having a Med Facility, helipad and pier near the water so the fixed wing folks could play doctor too? That would make for some interesting dispatches, resupplying them, etc. (Again, just thinking out loud ... which is what this thread is all about). 

It is interesting how many times my wife has walked behind me while I'm on the sim and asked, when looking at a community ... "Where's the hospital?" (I thought she was being sarcastic about my flying acumen, but she's a nurse and she wondered how people "stay safe" in such a dangerous environment).

Doug
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: sddinnh on February 28, 2015, 09:29:26 AM
1)  Just a little object here and there. I think there is a small medical building we have that would be nice out at some of the remote airports like the little sea plane bases in Tongass. But it would be fun to try to keep them as real as possible as for locations.  We have a red cross helipad somewhere (I have it a the med center at Machmel Village in Owikeeno). That and the little building would be all we would need (and of course the ever-present windsock!). 

2)  Hospitals will be in "city" areas, but I'm wondering about having a Med Facility, helipad and pier near the water so the fixed wing folks could play doctor too? That would make for some interesting dispatches, resupplying them, etc. (Again, just thinking out loud ... which is what this thread is all about). 

3)  It is interesting how many times my wife has walked behind me while I'm on the sim and asked, when looking at a community ... "Where's the hospital?" (I thought she was being sarcastic about my flying acumen, but she's a nurse and she wondered how people "stay safe" in such a dangerous environment).

Doug

1)  Right - that sounds perfect for the smaller towns / cities Doug

2)  I stuck the generic hospital #1 from the global scenery area into Juneau (in approx the right place) just to see what it would look like and it blends in pretty good.  Since it is relatively close to 18AK (just across the bay from the North Douglas Heliport) and has a hardened helipad on the roof, I didn't see a reason for a separate pad for that one, but it wouldn't hurt.  I like the idea of placing the hospitals near water (even if they are slightly out of position for reality) and adding a pier for the fixed wing folks.  Maybe the ground pad (and possibly a standby ambulance) could be incorporated with that.

3)  My wife, before she passed, was also a nurse, so maybe that's where I get it from  ;D  We, here in NH also have a large Heli-Ambulance service which handles transfer from the smaller hospitals to the larger ones as well as responding to mountain rescues and auto accidents.  Although we're not thought of as a remote area, NH and Maine have mountains, ski areas, huge tracts of forest and lots of areas where a helo is the only "quick" access to a hospital.
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: NeptuneP2V7 on March 01, 2015, 09:14:05 AM
In the Simu i'm a phoenix legend, when i crash .........And you also  ;D ;D

that is the virtual .. !
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: Doug on March 03, 2015, 02:15:51 PM
Let's start looking closer at this project. Anyone interested, please add your ideas to the thread.  Right now I'm using P3D 2.5, so there 's no IS3 to start playing with this. But what we can do is identify places where these should be.  If you see a candidate, give us the lat/long and the name of the community or SPB or whatever so we can look at it. I also can imagine a little medical building down by the water, with a helipad, and a pier, ambulance standing by, etc.  If folks are interested, then I'll move the list from here over to a projects table on the FAQ page so everyone can keep up with it.  If we keep the objects simple, I think this is a great idea. Also, keep an eye out for facilities that are already there ... we could list them on the same table, so we'll eventually have a "medicals facilities" table.  From that we can start having some fun with dispatches, etc.  First step, lets find them and get a list. Then we'll start placing a few to see how we like the project.

Doug
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: Bradallen43 on March 03, 2015, 05:00:16 PM
I am hoping that we add some locations as operation bases in the larger settlements. These should have medical objects for support in the design like ambulances parked nearby. Any signs that are medical in focus. Etc.
I may take on a few places but I'm finishing up my latest scenery creation and won't be able to start on anything for this idea right now. Rods busy up near Seward. How about you Doug? Or Steve? Or anybody new that wants to contribute.

Let's do something for this with a focus on our operations as best we can.

Brad
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: sddinnh on March 03, 2015, 06:07:34 PM
I don't have a lot of scenery experience Brad, but I do have FSX & Instant Scenery 2 installed & I know how to use the Instant Scenery 2.  I'm home right now with some time on my hands between chemo appointments, so I do have the time if someone will guide me along in scenery design and tell me what objects to use.  I'm not sure if IS2 creates BGL's that are P3D compatible though.

It would make a nice distraction from the med issues.  The aircraft painting I usually do can wait, there's plenty of paints out there to use now.
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: Trex3D on March 03, 2015, 06:36:00 PM
I Google'd "hospital medical facilities in united states canada" and clicked on the Map tab which displayed RW hospitals and health facility and there are few along the northwest coastal areas. If I may suggest, the co-location of medical scenery objects need not be a full-blown trauma center or hospital if its far away from intended RTMM operational SPBs or locations. Default FSX and P3D already have hospitals with landable helipads depending on the autogen setting one has. Smaller, highly visible medical outposts or EMT facilities with a nearby red-marked HEMS helipad/s (on the ground or atop it) with a working windsock, static ambulance/s and/or HEMS helo/s should do it.
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: Doug on March 03, 2015, 06:50:59 PM
Yes, I think we all are saying, keep it simple. I agree. Also, if we look past putting them up ... what are we going to do with them? Knowing the answer to that question will help us with the construction phase.  There are some out-of-the way communities ... Ocean Falls comes to mind.  In real life, I bet there is a small facility there. We should sort of look into how these "hub" in real life. The Google project was/is a good idea.  I wonder if they have small "trama" centers for local emergencies, then for real problems, the helicopter comes to the helipad just outside the door. But like the one Rod built, these would hub around a larger facility in a bigger community where we could place the hospital object. (just thinkin' out loud).
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: sddinnh on March 03, 2015, 07:05:52 PM
Bartlett Medical Center - Juneau Alaska

Helipad
FAA Identifier:    AA44
Lat/Long:    58-19-43.6900N / 134-27-36.3000W
58-19.728167N / 134-27.605000W
58.3288028 / -134.4600833
Elevation:    296 ft. / 90 m
From city:    4 miles NW of JUNEAU, AK


If it works anything like it does here in NH, there is a couple of HUGE trauma centers (probably scattered around like Juneau, Sitka, and Ketchikan).  Unless they are local to those trauma centers, patients are taken to the local small hospital to be stabilized, then taken to the larger trauma center.
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: Doug on March 04, 2015, 10:29:28 AM
Surprise ... maybe there are more than we know about?  I looked at Homer and found the South Peninsula Hospital ... complete with hard helipad on the roof. This would serve all of the Homer area. We need to make sure we know where the ones already done are.

Doug
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: Doug on March 04, 2015, 11:05:08 AM
OK, taking the project a step further. I've created a new "Project" table for this. It is at the bottom of the Here2There page. You can get to it from the top INDEX at Here2There or see it HERE (http://return.mistymoorings.com/here_to_there/#medical).

If you want to help us with this project, help us look for medical facilities already in the RTMM scenery areas (PFJ, PNW, Tongass, and SAK).  If you find one and it is not on the project table, give us the lat/long of the facility. (I'll handle the screen shot)  If you send me the Google earth lat/long format it would be helpful (59°39'8.31"N  151°32'59.67"W) ... (I'd rather not convert from "decimal").

If there SHOULD BE a medical facility in a location and one does not exist, send us the name of it, the lat/long and the type it should be. We'll add it to the table, but give it a 'red" status.  Red will mean we have it located, but it is only "proposed."  A yellow status means it is actively under construction and a green status means it is finished.

When we have one "green", we'll be able to click on the location name and be able to see a picture of the facility ... this so people will know what they are looking for later.  I have Homer in there as an example.

Use this thread to add facilities to the project table, attach pics here or you can copy the email address and  send them to "contact@mistymoorings.com" and they'll show up in my inbox.

Doug
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: Doug on March 04, 2015, 11:42:01 AM
NOTAM - UPDATED POST - You will see this only if you have HOMER PAYWARE.  So we are taking this off of our project table.

Looking at the Homer area, there is a small SPB 5BL near the South Peninsula Hospital.  Looking closer at the scenery ALREADY THERE, there is a small dock with a windsock on the side of the lake nearest the highway. All we need to do is put an Ambulance there (and a little better dock ... which for me disappears when you near it) and we'd have Homer covered for fixed wing amphibs.  Amazing what we can find with a little poking around. For fun, I added this to the table.
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: simurq on March 04, 2015, 01:31:33 PM
A couple of hospital locations (some with helipads) from me. To view in Google Maps, just click on coordinates. You can, of course, accept or disregard any of them depending on amount of effort you plan to spend on placing the scenery but I've tried to focus primarily on RTMM area:

Annette Island Services Unit
55.126839°, -131.576278° (https://www.google.com/maps/place/55%C2%B007'36.6%22N+131%C2%B034'34.6%22W/@55.1268329,-131.5762778,2611m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0)

Soldotna Hospital Heliport
60.492642°, -151.078941° (https://www.google.com/maps/place/60%C2%B029'33.5%22N+151%C2%B004'44.2%22W/@60.492642,-151.078941,561m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0)

St Joseph's General Hospital (helipad), Comox, BC
49.675103°, -124.941123° (https://www.google.com/maps/place/49%C2%B040'30.4%22N+124%C2%B056'28.0%22W/@49.675103,-124.941123,737m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0)

Alaska Regional Hospital Heliport
61.212330°, -149.826987° (https://www.google.com/maps/place/61%C2%B012'37.5%22N+149%C2%B049'40.9%22W/@61.2104231,-149.8280386,548m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0)

Kenai Health Center
60.558078°, -151.252055° (https://www.google.com/maps/place/60%C2%B033'29.1%22N+151%C2%B015'07.4%22W/@60.558078,-151.252055,560m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0)

Central Peninsula Hospital
60.559270°, -151.249911° (https://www.google.com/maps/place/60%C2%B033'33.4%22N+151%C2%B014'59.7%22W/@60.55927,-151.249911,560m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0)

Anchorage Medical & Surgical Clinic LLC
61.215384°, -149.902276° (https://www.google.com/maps/place/61%C2%B012'55.4%22N+149%C2%B054'08.2%22W/@61.215384,-149.902276,549m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0)

Indian Health Services
55.339844°, -131.636779° (https://www.google.com/maps/place/55%C2%B020'23.4%22N+131%C2%B038'12.4%22W/@55.339844,-131.636779,648m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0)
 
PeaceHealth Ketchikan Medical Center
55.353528°, -131.686625° (https://www.google.com/maps/place/55%C2%B021'12.7%22N+131%C2%B041'11.8%22W/@55.353528,-131.686625,648m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0)

Bartlett Regional Hospital
58.328820°, -134.465130° (https://www.google.com/maps/place/58%C2%B019'43.8%22N+134%C2%B027'54.5%22W/@58.32882,-134.46513,598m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0)

Providence Alaska Medical Center
61.186356°, -149.821253° (https://www.google.com/maps/place/61%C2%B011'10.9%22N+149%C2%B049'16.5%22W/@61.186356,-149.821253,549m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0)

Mat-Su (Matanuska) Regional Medical Centre
61.562758°, -149.258552° (https://www.google.com/maps/place/61%C2%B033'45.9%22N+149%C2%B015'30.8%22W/@61.562758,-149.258552,543m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0)

Providence Seward Medical and Care Center
60.105144°, -149.446245° (https://www.google.com/maps/place/60%C2%B006'18.5%22N+149%C2%B026'46.5%22W/@60.105144,-149.446245,568m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0)

Guys, it's just another wonderful project by RTMM. Let's try to help as much as possible!!! It's for all of us, after all... :)
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: spud on March 04, 2015, 01:56:03 PM
Doug,
need to re-think the medical locations mentioned in your post.  Apparently you have ORBX Homer PAHO installed because with FSX and SAK there is no hospitial or even a dock in the coordinates you give.  Which by the way need to be corrected because you can not put N59 39 8.31 /  W151 32 59.57 into the FSX map.
N59 39.83  /  151 32.59 is possible as an example.
In any case with default Homer and FSX/SAK the items you mention do not show.  Also in the table under "STATUS" the S Pen. Hosp says PFJ but it is in SAK.
I attach screen shots of the two locations both cockpit and overhead views
 8)
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: Doug on March 04, 2015, 02:43:01 PM
Yes, I have Homer Payware installed.  OK, we'll rethink that one. (Damn these payware airports, I wish they would work INSIDE THE FENCE and leave the rest of it alone ... that's twice I've been burned!  I'll pull that one from the Project Table ... there are plenty more to mess with. (Darn!!!)

Doug
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: spud on March 04, 2015, 03:25:54 PM
Yes, I have Homer Payware installed.  OK, we'll rethink that one. (Damn these payware airports, I wish they would work INSIDE THE FENCE and leave the rest of it alone ... that's twice I've been burned!  I'll pull that one from the Project Table ... there are plenty more to mess with. (Darn!!!)

Doug

Well ya did mention having a libation or seven recently!  :P
 8)
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: Doug on March 04, 2015, 03:43:15 PM
SEE WHAT HAPPENS when nobody but ME shows up at the BAR!!!  (So it's not my fault! :-)
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: stiletto2 on March 04, 2015, 04:22:29 PM
I am already working on helipads at Providence Alaska Medical center in Anchorage and the Providence Medical & care Center in Seward as part of my current scenery project so you can add them to the table.  Each is a separate helipad with me as author and under construction.

Rod
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: Doug on March 04, 2015, 04:30:52 PM
I put it up as Under Construction ... we'll get the exact coordinates for the helipad when it goes "green" when your scenery is done.  Posting it on the table will keep us from landing on it as a potential site.  Are you going to do the nearby Alaska Regional Hospital Heliport?

Doug
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: ualani on March 04, 2015, 05:00:16 PM
Hey Spud,
This is a little OT for this thread, but in a few posts above you mentioned that you can't input the coordinates Doug gave as N59 39 8.31 /  W151 32 59.57 into the FSX map. If you put this in your FSX.CFG under the [MAIN] section you actually can.

LatLonFormat=seconds (You may already have this line in there.)

If you add this line, you can increase the accuracy to 5 digits

FractionalLatLonDigits=5

You can change the 5 to any number for the amount of accuracy in decimal places.
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: stiletto2 on March 04, 2015, 05:32:49 PM
I put it up as Under Construction ... we'll get the exact coordinates for the helipad when it goes "green" when your scenery is done.  Posting it on the table will keep us from landing on it as a potential site.  Are you going to do the nearby Alaska Regional Hospital Heliport?

Doug

The Heliport for Alaska Regional is already there at the one end of Merrill Field which is next to where the hospital is supposed to be.   There is just a simple "circle H" on the tarmac but it is basically in the right place.   

Rod
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: Trex3D on March 04, 2015, 05:48:35 PM
FWIW, here's a link of about 6 webpages to some free downloadable scenery stuff involving helipads in various locations/scenarios including hospitals, trauma &medical centers, among others, from dedicated helicopter site Hovercontrol. Some of these custom scenery objects might be a bit dated and crudely designed for FSX/FS9 but will give ideas from the perspective of those who designed them and who fly helos. Just wanted to chip in if it may be something useful... :-\

http://www.hovercontrol.com/cgi-bin/ifolio/imageFolio.cgi?direct=FSX_Scenery&img=0

Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: Bradallen43 on March 05, 2015, 06:53:36 AM
I think it would be a good idea to place a message about this project over at Hover Control because it seems to me that there are people there that are making some great city based emergency locations for Helicopters. Why not get their input into what we can do on our side of the destinations to make the experience work more realistically? And to avoid duplicate scenery being created at larger population centers in our areas of coverage.

I'm working a big helicopter show in town and might be able to ask an EMT pilot about off site locations in the bush.

Brad
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: Bradallen43 on March 05, 2015, 07:18:10 AM
I posted over at Hovercontrol to get any possible assistance and ideas flowing from their side. I think they are the leader in simulated helicopter operations and could help out a lot.

Brad

http://www.hovercontrol.com/cgi-bin/ib3/ikonboard.cgi?s=9a9e411ddf6eed42747eb619c0dafc3b&act=ST&f=1&t=23502&st=&&#entry179261
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: Doug on March 05, 2015, 07:52:06 AM
Nice post over at HoverControl, Brad. Thank you.
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: Bradallen43 on March 05, 2015, 10:29:36 AM
Here you go... Reference material.

http://www.ebushpilot.com/helicopters.htm
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: Bradallen43 on March 05, 2015, 11:25:54 AM
Spoke with a couple of Med-Flight crews today at the Heli-Expo and they said that if there isn't a dedicated medical location at a small airfield, then they shoot for taxiways at small airports to use as pick up and drop off points for operations. Because they are in-between the ramp and the airstrip.

Uncontrolled airstrips might not have taxiways though. So it's a crapshoot really. They basically can land anywhere that any ambulance can park at. Out in the woods or other emote locations is a whole different set of circumstances though and there are no set parameters other than, relatively flat surface free of obstructions with enough clearance for a safe landing and takeoff.

Brad
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: Trex3D on March 05, 2015, 11:52:49 AM
Excellent follow-through Brad  :)

.. And some informative links and Q&A that can help on heliport/helipad planning and designs for emergency services:

http://www.keu92.org/uploads/Search%20engineering/HELIPORT%20DESIGN%20AND%20PLANNING.pdf

https://new.rotor.com/portals/1/publication/Heliports_25_Most_Asked_Questions.pdf
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: Doug on March 05, 2015, 05:45:42 PM
And here is Steve Downing's first hospital complex for us. This is Bartlett Regional Hospital at Juneau. Notice how he has put a "medical dock" just down the hill from the hospital?  There is a significant heliport across the water and toward the airport, that is where the helicopters will probably be stationed. What Steve has created here is what we are going to try to accomplish with many of these. For the more urban hospitals, there probably will not be a dock.  We intend to have only a few of the "major" facilities. Most of the facilities will be much smaller and more remote.  We will do our best to keep them as real as possible.  But with the attached screenshot, you should get a "feel" for the direction of the project.  Thanks to Steve for this excellent first rendering.

UPDATE: There is now a windsock on the top of the hospital and one over at 18AK (North Douglas Helipad). If you are interested and want to keep up with the project, as we get things completed, they will be in the zip folder you can download from the Medical Facilities Table at the bottom of the Here2There page.  Not a lot in the folder yet, but this is where you will find the latest.

Doug
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: sddinnh on March 06, 2015, 04:36:39 PM
I think we need to find 2 more buildings to use.  Something medium size with an external helipad to use in places where the two big ones we have now look out of place and a small one on the scale of the RTMM air taxi building to be use with an external helipad in the small communities.  Comments?
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: Doug on March 06, 2015, 04:41:14 PM
Steve, if you have it, check out the Machmel Village at OwiKeeno at N51 39.33   W126 41.73.  There's one I jury-Rigged to become a little medical facility.

Doug
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: sddinnh on March 06, 2015, 05:02:11 PM
I don't have it, but I'll load it up and take a look at it.  I jury rigged one on the Sitka scenery I sent you.  The hospitals we had were just too big to look right and a tiny one would work either.
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: sddinnh on March 06, 2015, 05:44:38 PM
That Building works Doug.  When I looked thru the RTMM stuff, I didn't see that building or I probably would have used it at Sitka, although I really could have used a bigger one.

I especially like the landing cross.  It stands out real well from the air.
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: Doug on March 06, 2015, 08:39:31 PM
That building is bigger than I thought it was.  One this size would work better for the "outpost medical centers"
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: Trex3D on March 06, 2015, 10:23:44 PM
Here are some HEMS heliports in FSX.. Atop a hospital, near an EMS station or medical facility  ;)
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: Doug on March 07, 2015, 07:28:26 AM
Wow, those are really pretty!

D
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: sddinnh on March 07, 2015, 08:18:13 AM
Yah, I especially like that first one.  I can see that being used in the medium sized towns like Wrangle, Haines, and Skagway.
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: stiletto2 on March 07, 2015, 02:10:25 PM
Yah, I especially like that first one.  I can see that being used in the medium sized towns like Wrangle, Haines, and Skagway.

Well, only if ORBX places it.   That 1st pic is an ORBX model at Darrington, Washington.

Rod
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: Trex3D on March 07, 2015, 06:19:08 PM
Bingo Rod! You're right  :) I just copied that screenie from another forum and posted here only because of the the perfect angle and the HEMS pad/facility eyecandy...  The other three, I've flown to/from before ... Just trying to elicit more ideas, ideas, ideas for this project... ???
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: stiletto2 on March 07, 2015, 09:37:16 PM
Not a problem, just wanted to make sure that some of our more enterprising users didn't think they could go grab the models you are showing and put them in one of the new HEMS locations.

Rod
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: sddinnh on March 08, 2015, 04:04:31 PM
Not to worry Rod, I've had the rules explained to me  ;)
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: stiletto2 on March 08, 2015, 05:19:58 PM
Not to worry Rod, I've had the rules explained to me  ;)

 :o
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: jeff3163 on March 08, 2015, 08:15:20 PM
Steve . . . those cane marks should fade over time . . .  ??? :o  ;)
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: jsapair on March 08, 2015, 10:19:36 PM
200 lashes may sound harsh but they're administered over time.
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: sddinnh on March 09, 2015, 04:58:36 AM
Steve . . . those cane marks should fade over time . . .  ??? :o  ;)

Doug was relitively kind about that,  :o but still I wondered how long it would take for those marks to fade.  ;D
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: Doug on March 09, 2015, 08:09:10 AM
I'm not going to let our best helpers get caned by "outside" entities. I've got my own stripes! :-)
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: sddinnh on March 14, 2015, 05:14:24 PM
I built a set of hospital scenery around an existing building in Haines.  When I reloaded FSX to check it out, the building was gone.  Now I don't know if it will come back or not.  Is this bad practice to build around existing scenery?  Should I put an exclusion zone around it before I replace it, just in case it does try to come back?
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: stiletto2 on March 14, 2015, 06:34:56 PM
Hi Steve,

It is okay to build over another scenery file that is enabled, if that is what you are asking, as long as that other scenery is always lower on the Scenery Library priority list for the scenery you are creating.  That is always the case with ORBX since RTMM scenery is above ORBX.  Unlikely that it will come back.  Assuming other parts of the scenery were saved, it is more likely that you did not save it to a file properly or saved it to a file that was not enabled....though usually IS gives you a warning on that.  In any case, try adding the building again to your scenery file, makes sure you save it properly and then reload FSX to see if it is still there.  If not, could be another problem.    There should be no need for an exclusion unless you want to removed an object from another scenery that is in your way.

Rod
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: Doug on March 15, 2015, 04:33:24 PM
Taking it "up" a notch!

We are creating a web page for the RTMM Medical Facilities.  The page is "under construction" at this point, and very "basic" in structure. But if people are interested in watching the progress of this project, they can watch the construction process on the "RTMM Medical facilities Beta Page (http://return.mistymoorings.com/medical_facilities/)" (You can also get to the page from the bottom of the Scenery Page, in the "beta test area" below "Z"). There will not be any hot links in this new page until we are finished.  Suggestions are welcome as we build this.  We are building this for YOU, so your input is most welcome.

Doug
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: sddinnh on March 15, 2015, 06:30:20 PM
Nice job Doug  ;D  I like it.
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: Trex3D on March 15, 2015, 07:15:52 PM
Magnifico Doug and RTMM! Since the topic here is about about medical emergency airlifts/medevacs, here's a short 1.5 mins. trailer video on HEMS featuring the BK-117 air ambulance in Germany... and a longer 7.5 mins. accident rescue documentary with Mercy Air B222 on the second video for those who want to take a coffee break from flying...  ;D

https://youtu.be/ml7jWXfmQ0k

https://youtu.be/BcXxvrWOsgc
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: Doug on March 17, 2015, 08:24:59 PM
Thank you Trex, very interesting.  The new web page continues to "build" ... added some more today. Steve Downing is doing most of the work since I'm "IS3-Challenged" (P3D2.5).  The first phase of this project is to get the major medical centers in place and many "remote" facilities (smaller ones out at SPB's, etc). Once we have these in place, we will begin adding "Medical Dispatches" ... putting a "problem" out in the scenery, giving you a waypoint to the problem, then you fly to it, and fly back to the appropriate medical facility.  Rod has given us an example one we are testing and it is working perfectly. (Typical Rod!)

If you look at the web page, (HERE (http://return.mistymoorings.com/medical_facilities/)) you will see each facility has a "waypoint" ... these are put in much as a pilot would put in the critical waypoints for him to do his job ... we will "preload" your gps with all of the medical facilities in a single download ... all the waypoints will be there. You simply bring up your GPS and do a "direct to" to the waypoint. 

We have relied mostly on Plan-G flight plans for our low and slow and around the mountains routing. This will be different and more difficult. The GPS will give you a "straight line" to the target. It will be up to you to get there safely. It is a different kind of flying and actually more realistic for bush flying.  This is going to be a terrific program for the rotorheads among us ... but we are not leaving out the fixed wing people. You will see that most of the hospitals have a nearby "medical dock" ... usually water. We will place some emergencies where an amphibian could land and take off, then land near the hospital.  We'll keep you posted on progress. Below is a screenshot of the Skagway Medical Dock. The copters would land at the hospital, the float planes at this facility ... and you can see the ambulance is waiting ...

DOug
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: Trex3D on March 17, 2015, 09:36:20 PM
Thanks a lot for the heads up Doug, I was just sharing scenarios as depicted on those overview videos on what HEMS ops do for those wondering what it's like in the RW... Of course, it's everyone's sacred duty to extend help those in life or limb threatening emergencies and airlift them ASAP to the nearest medical or trauma facility either through fixed wing, helo or whatever transport is available. Also, thanks for letting us RTMM'ers play and do practice runs as heroes.. at least in our virtual world ;-) Kudos also to Steve D. and other talented contributors for this wonderful project.. :-*

P.S. That Beaver is precariously docked too close to the HEMS pad unless the operator's insurance will fully cover possible damages caused by rotor clipping as well as lawsuit from the patient and/or family if another disaster happens.. but a 500 ft. radial clearance from the TOLF will be fine with the FAA  ;D
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: Doug on March 18, 2015, 07:08:26 AM
 :) I had just made a run from Haines medical dock and was quick-docking to get the "patient" out.  By the way, some helos will use that dock instead if the hospital...look at the enlarged pic for Skagway hospital...a tight landing in high winds or poor visibility.
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: Trex3D on March 18, 2015, 10:01:44 PM
Sounds challenging...  :o ;D :P
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: Doug on March 22, 2015, 02:25:05 PM
The Medical Facilities page is growing and coming together nicely.  You can watch the progress on it here:

http://return.mistymoorings.com/medical_facilities/

I also put a temporary "button" for it on Misty's Place, and there is a link to it in the "beta section" at the bottom of the scenery page.

Feel free to comment on this thread as to what you are seeing.

Doug
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: Doug on April 04, 2015, 12:05:40 PM
RTMM Medical Facilities Update

Several new medical centers have been added (you can see the complete list HERE (http://return.mistymoorings.com/medical_facilities/)). We now have most of the urban centers listed, that was the first step of the project. Next, we will be offering a "temporary" medical facilities library, that will hold some special new Objects Steve Weinkamer has created for us. We then have to run a Quality Control on this base package (Spud), then we will turn loose the RTMM Medical Facilities.zip for you.

Soon the fun will begin. We will be adding "medical dispatches" (E-Tickets).  You will download the dispatch and in the zip folder you will find (1) a map, (2) mission instructions, (3) and (4) a little scenery folder that you will put into your scenery library (instructions for placement will be included).  We will begin adding these once we have the basic project established (temp library, major medical facilities, new web page).

We will be making these for helicopters and fixed wing aircraft. You will see the three tables on the new web page for these. All naming of these will start with an "E". 

You are welcome to add to this discussion with ideas or questions.

Doug
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: Doug on April 04, 2015, 08:16:02 PM
Fun's A'comin' .... 
Title: Re: Hospitals
Post by: Doug on April 05, 2015, 04:16:54 PM
And here's what Spud found at the "emergency" site: