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Return to Misty Moorings (FSX/P3D/MSFS2020) => Addon Scenery and Enhancements => Topic started by: Doug on June 04, 2013, 08:41:46 AM
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Well, Misty is becoming quite the entrepreneur. She opened up an Air Taxi Service at Wasilla, now she's opened up an Oil Platform Services terminal to service the (new) oil platforms that are placed by SAK out in the water off Kenai. The package comes with "how" to use the ENA VOR at 117.6 to find each one. A heading from the VOR is given, and a distance (DME). So even in bad weather you can find them. They have been added to the misty cabins database for FSDiscover which makes it even easier to find them. There is a dirt strip (short) for amphibians, docks for floats and ships/boats. The facility is located 1.5 miles from Kenai Municipal (198 degrees). The information for the Oil Platforms has been added to the USFS cabins page. (Of course you need ORBX SAK for this package).
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Wow, thanks Doug. I must try this. Downloading now
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Have not made a close up inspection of the facility yet but looks great on a flyover this morning. I did visit some oil rigs, can't say I'm real thrilled with those however. SAK used four permanent massive brick or stone structures to hold up the platforms which I have never seen in real life especially in open water.
Still the helo platforms will give us a nice place to visit, I just wont look down.
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Hi Doug,
A beautiful job! I can't wait to visit.
Rod
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Wow, thanks Doug just downloaded and installed and made the first flight in the heli.
Looks very realistic and I have place with Instant Scenery a new Oil Platform that I have found in my libraries.
Peter
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Agree on the oil platforms ... not the "coolest" object in the deck. Once you've seen one, you've seen them all. But it is great for learning VOR navigation ... which I'm having some fun doing. Getting to the first one, not to tough. But then pick another and figure out how to get there using the VOR and DME (without going back to MM Ops) ... that's fun. I think this will be more fun for the helo guys ... probably fun to land on them. But anyway, they were "there" so why not put them to use. I did find the gps coordinates that show up in the Google Earth database for SAK are not really too close to where they are in FSX. I found many almost a mile off. So the coordinates I've got for them are dead on for FSX. The "mooring point" is the helipad at 124 feet ... so be careful if you use that and a plane ... best to give it a couple of "minutes" leeway and be in the water than in the rigging!
It is fun to fly it at night, coming in and out of the OPS center. If you've downloaded the strobes, I have the whole thing "lighted" so you can land at night. Fun to see at night. Wish the rigs were better lighted like the real ones at night. (you'll never attract any BIG shrimp with this lighting!!!). I just uploaded an update with the new lighting ... you guys might want a "reload".
Doug
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Doug,
great Job!!!! This is a great scenery especially for the heli-guys. Thanks very much again!
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Doug.
Are you saying to redownload the MM-OPS addon,in the scenery downloads,that has night lighting.I installed MM-OPS a couple hours ago.
I just went back to the scenery downloads.I'm used to seeing in red.The scenery has been updated etc.
GrayRider
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Doug.
Are you saying to redownload the MM-OPS addon,in the scenery downloads,that has night lighting.I installed MM-OPS a couple hours ago.
I just went back to the scenery downloads.I'm used to seeing in red.The scenery has been updated etc.
GrayRider
Yep, that what he's saying all right. :)
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Yep ... that's what I'm saying :-) ... the rigs can be pretty well seen at night, so with the new night lighting at the MM-Ops ... flying around out there at night could be interesting. I notice the helipads are lit fairly well also.
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We don't do much work for night time flying ... so a few things happen at night that don't happen in the daytime (besides going "bump"). Would you believe a terminal disappeared, then a ship, then the top part of an airplane. The "H" on the helipads disappeared. I kept checking the sky for saucer shaped objects, but saw none. FSX has some ghosts in it I guess. Anyway, since this will/can be used at night, I've optimized it for day AND night ops. So once again, my apologies, I've altered the file. The changes are minor, but things show up at night that had disappeared before. Just delete the old folder and drop in the new one. Lets see if this works better. Let me know if you some something crazy ... (and if you see a saucer shaped object, let me know ... I KNOW they are out there in FSX!!)
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Doug,
you may be 'working' on the Oil Rigs at this time 1010 CDT 6/10/13 but clicking on the button for Oil Rigs does nothing just sits, no activity on the computer etc. Light Houses and various Cabin sections work fine.
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Thank you, got it fixed. The Button was ok the whole darned table disappeared. But it is back now, better than ever. Thank you.
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Many thanks again!
I did yesterday some flights from MM Ops Base to the Oil rigs in this area.
MM Ops base is great. Looks beautiful!!
Well, the SAK Oil rig are no eyecatchers. Especially textures resolutions are very low, which makes landings on the helipads unpredictable without a Radar Altimeter.....but when you are not willing to land there, try setting some cargo via slingloads on the pads. This is a great challenging alternative and much fun when helo-flying!!!! :) :) :)
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Holger sort of warned me that the "object" was not too "exciting." And they are not. I did see an oil rig object in one of our object libraries. Maybe I should drag one out there and place it. If it is better, no reason we couldn't make our own oil field ... they have enough of them up there!
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Holger sort of warned me that the "object" was not too "exciting." And they are not. I did see an oil rig object in one of our object libraries. Maybe I should drag one out there and place it. If it is better, no reason we couldn't make our own oil field ... they have enough of them up there!
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Oh yes, more oil rig = more fun
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Hi Doug,
if is not too much work needed adding some of these better oil rig....that would be really amazing!!!!!!!
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That means RTMM would produce it`s own gasoline for it`s flight operations? Well, Exxon, Shell and all these oil producing companies...watch out RTMM is coming!!!!!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Yes, discounted fuel at MM-Ops! Getting the right objects is the trick. Lets all keep our eyes open for anything different out there. Placing them is not a problem. We can find where the real ones are.
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Hi Doug,
Thought I'd mention a scenery package I have called "Alaskan Oilrigs for FSX" by the "MunchBros", if I've got it right. It's freeware. They are offshore of Kenai, approaching PANC. They are right where yours are, well not "exactly" where yours are, but near them.
(http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/jeff3163/MOON/Flight%20Simulator%20X%20Files/SAK/fsx2013-06-2115-37-13-30.jpg~original)
(http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/jeff3163/MOON/Flight%20Simulator%20X%20Files/SAK/fsx2013-06-2115-40-19-71.jpg~original)
(http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/jeff3163/MOON/Flight%20Simulator%20X%20Files/SAK/fsx2013-06-2115-38-05-63.jpg~original)
(http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/jeff3163/MOON/Flight%20Simulator%20X%20Files/SAK/fsx2013-06-2115-25-36-96.jpg~original)
Sorry there's only one picture of a "rig" and it's probably one of yours, but I was on a "VAL" flight, and snapped some pics along the way to PANC. Oh, picture #3 has one. Enlarge the pic to see it better.
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Hi Jeff... The ones In MmOps are all SAK. The objects are not so good, and they are not exactly where the kmz file says they should be, so I had a heck of a time finding them and giving them their correct name. Do the Munch Bros objects look better? Maybe we could fix a switch?
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I went back for another look. (I turned off the MM OPS to thin things out a bit.) ;)
(http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/jeff3163/MOON/Flight%20Simulator%20X%20Files/SAK/fsx2013-06-2220-44-43-68.jpg~original)
(http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/jeff3163/MOON/Flight%20Simulator%20X%20Files/SAK/fsx2013-06-2220-47-58-01.jpg~original)
(http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/jeff3163/MOON/Flight%20Simulator%20X%20Files/SAK/fsx2013-06-2220-47-23-04.jpg~original)
(http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/jeff3163/MOON/Flight%20Simulator%20X%20Files/SAK/fsx2013-06-2220-47-51-18.jpg~original)
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Now THOSE look a lot better than the ones that came with SAK. We may have to do some exploring with those folks and talk with Holger. Klaus said the platforms are not so good to land on for the heli guys, if these are better, then it is worth looking into further. Thanks for the recheck. On second thought, the simple thing would be to find the objects in SAK and do the "off" button, then add these and redo all the coordinates. We need to get Klaus to give them a check and see what he thinks. I think both will be difficult to land on in a Beaver!!! :-)
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Searched flightsim.com and found the file.
rigspa1k.zip
about 8MB
Will try it out and let ya know.
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I am very curious to know whether these very old FS2004 files are compatible with FSX/SAK.
I doubt a little bit.
Dieter
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I also am skeptical Dieter but I did download the file and will see what it looks like at least. Of course ORBX scenery has much more accurate shoreline depiction than either stock FSX or FS9 so if any rigs are near the shore they may end up on dry land. The program uses an auto installer program which installs the files into FS9 which is BAD so don't make the mistake of using the default location for installation. Use a temp. location and install it manually. If I'm successful I'll put up a quick tutorial on how to install the rigs. (Standby for more info later.)
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Hi,
Jeffs`s Pictures of These Freeware oil rigs look very nice and muh better than SAK oil rigs.
I will download the file (thanks for the search, Spud) and install it on my System today.
Can´t wait testing the helipads.
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Hi,
Jeffs`s Pictures of These Freeware oil rigs look very nice and muh better than SAK oil rigs.
I will download the file (thanks for the search, Spud) and install it on my System today.
Can´t wait testing the helipads.
Klaus,
don't use the auto installer, it install into FS9 not FSX.
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Hi Spud,
O.k. thanks !!!!! :)
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Well concerning the FS9 oil rig scenery addressed above. I tried a manual installation and while the rigs show on the FSX map I tried to take off from Trading Bay as the manual says. This airport is an FS9 field that has severe elevations problems in FSX and really doesn't fit very well.
Now for the bad news. With the rigs installed I can not check them out as FSX crashes after about 1 min of running. Just goes back to the desktop with no error message or anything. Not worth more of my time working with files that were not intended for FSX. Rigs look better, at least the screen shots of them do but can't check them out as I said.
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I had the same problems.
I did a Manual install. After firing up FSX and loading a saved Flight (PAMR), the sim shut down after 1 Minute or so. I did the same procedure two times again. The result was FSX shutting down 1 Minute after loading the flight.
After deleting the scenery from my system, FSX worked well again.
That`s sad, because wthe Pictures promised some really nice looking oilrigs.... :'(
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Hey guys,
The one I have is called "akoilrigspack1.zip", by MunchBros. I looked for the file on the internet, but couldn't find it. I searched my system, and found it. I've tried twice now to attach it to this post, but no luck. I will attach a dropbox link instead. (It's 8Mb's in size also. Hmmm?)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/vjzzz6sxsnqt0qt/akoilrigspack1.zip (https://www.dropbox.com/s/vjzzz6sxsnqt0qt/akoilrigspack1.zip)
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rigspa1k.zip - akoilrigspack1.zip
Different names, but exactly same content. Both do not work (for me)
Dieter
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I have mine installed in the scenery/world/scenery folder. Is that what you guys are doing? It works great for me, and I've had them installed for several years, through different computer builds.
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Hi Jeff,
I had my Installation in FSX/ Addonscenery Folder.
I´m not sure if your different install can be the clue. I will try it again according to your install method.
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Jeff,
the file in your dropbox is identical to the one from my post as far as content is concerned. I had installed it in my Misty Moorings folder under the Addon folder with all other RTMM scenery and it did not work in that location.
I'm trying your file but this time I'm adding the munchbros folder the install tries to place the files into.
So C:/....../.....FTX/Addon Scenery/Misty Moorings/munchbros with sub-folders scenery and texture.
If that doesn't work then I'll try the files in Scenery/World/scenery and see if that works.
I already see the .bgl for 5AK0 (Trading Bay Production) which has major issues in FSX but that AFD.bgl can be turned off.
Stay tuned.
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Jeff,
consider yourself fortunate that apparently your rigs show up because I tried three different methods of installing the files.
1) Inside my RTMM (Misty Moorings) folder as outlined previously.
2) Placing the munchbros folder and its sub-folder into the Scenery/World/scenery folder. (Nesting folders will normally work fine.
3) Finally putting all 29 .bgl files from the scenery folder into the Scenery/World/scenery folder, then placing all 58 .bmp files from the texture folder into the Scenery/World/texture folder, followed by placing the 4 effects files into the Effects folder of FSX.
Result. With all 3 methods the sim will not even start! SOOOO back to the drawing board and manually having to find and delete all 91 files out of FSX so the sim will work.
What I think is the problem is that the manual mentions a "Base Pack" that must have some other files in it that are required. According to the directions the munchbros folder is supposed to be added into the Scenery Library of FS9 which the base pack did, and the installer adds the files into that folder.
I did make a munchbros folder, placed the files into that folder and added it to my FSX Scenery Library and when I tried to compile the scenery database the sim CTD upon finishing the compiling. Something is very wrong I'm afraid.
In any case for a few FS9 oilrigs it just isn't worth it to me to expend any more effort on something I'll rarely see anyway except in passing as I fly the Cook Inlet area.
:-[
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Yep, that is strange that it crashes your computer. :o No event logs generated in Windows, eh? ???
I think I need to take a chopper ride out to the rigs. (from Trading Bay Production) I don't think I've seen that place yet. I usually always start from Kenai.
I took a picture of the directory of my installation. When I say it is in the scenery/world/scenery folder, I mean it's in the scenery/world/scenery/munchbros/scenery folder. See? I don't know why it is so deep, but hey . . . it works. Or so I believe. ::) :o :-\
(http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/jeff3163/MOON/Flight%20Simulator%20X%20Files/MunchBrosDir.jpg~original)
I need to take a lengthy flight out there in a chopper and land on the rigs. TTFN. ;)
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Ok, started out from Trading Bay Productions, and it looked fine to me. Just a grass strip behind a tank farm (imposed in photo on the ground) There was a radio tower there. I flew out to the Dolly Varden, and then to the Grayling. I am taking a break on the Grayling. (eating dinner). No problems so far.
First pic is Dolly Varden (MM OPS).
(http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/jeff3163/MOON/Flight%20Simulator%20X%20Files/Alaskan%20Oil%20Rigs/fsx2013-06-2418-41-57-66.jpg~original)
The Grayling (by MunchBros.)
(http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/jeff3163/MOON/Flight%20Simulator%20X%20Files/Alaskan%20Oil%20Rigs/fsx2013-06-2419-41-12-07.jpg~original)
(http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/jeff3163/MOON/Flight%20Simulator%20X%20Files/Alaskan%20Oil%20Rigs/fsx2013-06-2419-41-40-16.jpg~original)(http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/jeff3163/MOON/Flight%20Simulator%20X%20Files/Alaskan%20Oil%20Rigs/fsx2013-06-2419-44-14-09.jpg~original)
(http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/jeff3163/MOON/Flight%20Simulator%20X%20Files/Alaskan%20Oil%20Rigs/fsx2013-06-2419-45-09-58.jpg~original)
(http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/jeff3163/MOON/Flight%20Simulator%20X%20Files/Alaskan%20Oil%20Rigs/fsx2013-06-2419-45-19-34.jpg~original)(http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/jeff3163/MOON/Flight%20Simulator%20X%20Files/Alaskan%20Oil%20Rigs/fsx2013-06-2419-45-29-10.jpg~original)(http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/jeff3163/MOON/Flight%20Simulator%20X%20Files/Alaskan%20Oil%20Rigs/fsx2013-06-2419-45-52-70.jpg~original)
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I still have the same issues as Spud described. My FSX shuts down when i have These oilrigs installed.
Jeff`s Pictures look nice....
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I can't think of anything that would crash FSX in there, except those animated flames and water. It has been a very long time since I "installed" the oil rigs. They have been a part of my FSX since the original installation, a few years ago. I just copy that "Munchbros" directory into any new install and point to it. It has always worked on my "AMD" based system. Are you guys running "Intel" processors maybe? Is your triple buffering turned off in your systems OpenGL graphics settings? Mine is off. (just throwing things out there)
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No idea why these Munch Brothers datas doesn't work on my machine (Intel/Nvidia)
Is your triple buffering turned off in your systems OpenGL graphics settings?
This cannot cause the problem, FSX is DirectX not OpenGL!
Dieter
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Thanks for sharing this wonderful freeware addon Jeff! Are there other additional packs that you may have? ;D
I followed Jeff's installation procedure but didn't notice any changes to the SAK oil rigs and the area so I tried the usual RTMM addon scenery installation of putting the Munchbros scenery and texture folders in my FSX Addon Scenery folder and it worked! I noticed about 7 newly operational and well-lighted oil rigs in addition to the SAK default ones.
If I recall it correctly, I read somewhere that FSX doesn't work very well with FS9 files and could bring up some issues. I tried installing the RTMM AI Shipping Project (cruise liners with scheduled routes) before but removed it since it resulted in my FSX crashing shortly after several reboots but the other RTMM AI enhancements (small boats, tugs,etc. ) are working well as I have observed so far. Since this Munch Bros. AK Oil Rigs addon is mainly intended for FS9, could the FSX crashing issue be the result of its probable conflict or incompatibility with some RTMM traffic files designed to work with FSX especially to those who have installed all or some of it? BTW, this Munch Bros. addon also has dynamic objects like fires & lights. Just entertaining another possibility... ???
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Jeff, those pics really look impressive. Can you find a contact for the author of these? Maybe we can discuss using his object as a replacement for the ones in SAK? Just thinking out loud. Even Holger mentioned he was not thrilled with the object...maybe we could work out a fix? If that object could replace the object we have, then everything is in place without all the problems the folks are having with the installation. Don't know how this could be done, but I bet there is a way.
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Jeff,
the munchbros folder nested in the World/Scenery folder is one of the methods I tried but still get the CTD issue.
I think there may be an issue with the "base pack" mentioned in the readme file which I do not have. Just going to shelve this one due to small return on the dollar sort of thing.
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Spud,
AFAIK, I haven't used any of Munch Bro.'s software addons before and only installed their AK Oil Rigs pack 1 now and it works in my Intel/ATI system. So I doubt that the lacking of the base pack mentioned in its Read Me file is causing your FSX crashing issue. It may have something to do with the installation procedure and/or configuration you followed or even the AI objects you installed. Try temporarily deactivating the RTMM Shipping AI Project if you have installed it (since it caused issues with mine before) and see if it solves the AK Oil Rigs problem. If it doesn't, try reviewing your configuration and installation procedure. Here's another forum link below I just came across on how "Mr. Mike" recommended its installation:
http://gotbush.org/forums/index.php?topic=529.0;wap2
Attached herewith are some screenies my co-pilot took when we did a low recon on the SAK oil rigs after installing Munch Bros. around dusk to see which rigs are actively working and operational and which ones are calling off early on their jobs ???
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Trex,
read the instructions in your link and I'll try one more time with the files in the FSX/Addon Scenery/scenery and texture folders. But I'm not holding my breath. ;D
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NOPE! Same thing FSX CTD as soon as it loads. As I have already said I'm DONE! with these files. I'm glad that some people have them working but unfortunately I ain't one of em'!
Trex,
appreciate your info but I have the if ain't broke don't fix it philosophy. After 6 installs, two different downloads, I'm not about to start messing with RTMM files that work as they should just to 'maybe' get a few oil rigs that will only slow down my system a bit more. The RTMM shipping AI all work just fine and as for my .CFG file it operates as well as possible with my system and my installing procedures have been working for the past 10-15 years so I doubt that is the problem. There is just something in the download that doesn't work with my and other peoples systems.
Now I'll go dig out all 91 files from my Addon Scenery/scenery and texture folders plus the four effects files. One good thing is that my texture folder had no other files in it so that helps.
>:(
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I understand the frustration Spud :( Better be safe than be sorry..You know your personal preferences, system set-up and limitations better more than anybody else. I'm glad you did some "trial and error" and narrowed down closer to isolating the options..But on the brighter side, let's just hope that someone who may have encountered a similar problem with yours may also have the fix to your specific issue. Remember, "no problem can withstand the power of sustained thinking.." Guess I recall reading that quote somewhere.. :)
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Well, I tried many installation variants on my Intel/Nvidia system, no success! Now I'm through with this software.
I am amazed at all how much time and effort the community (myself included) is investing in this nearly 10-year-old software.
Do theses platforms really look better? Are they helicopter landable? And there are only 13 instead of 16.
Btw,
doesn't OZx have oil platforms in their Australia stuff? If yes, what about them for using?
Dieter
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Well, I tried many installation variants on my Intel/Nvidia system, no success! Now I'm through with this software.
I am amazed at all how much time and effort the community (myself included) is investing in this nearly 10-year-old software.
Do theses platforms really look better? Are they helicopter landable? And there are only 13 instead of 16.
Btw,
doesn't OZx have oil platforms in their Australia stuff? If yes, what about them for using?
Dieter
Same for me! I tried several different installation methods suggested, but with no luck. Thanks to all for the suggestions and help.
On my system these oilrigs do not work. Well, that`s it and I will do no further try and errors with them .....no problem. The SAK oilrigs do work....though they do not look nice and the textures are not good. It would have been nice having some better one`s, but I can also live with the SAK oilrigs.
Via Hovercontrol I found this Link to the ODG-group. They are specialized on offshore-sceneries in the North-sea, Europe but also in the mexican gulf.
http://www.fs-odg.com/
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I'll drop Holger a note and see if the Aussie oil rig objects are a possibility. You folks have sure tried to make this one work. I'll look for an alternative for us. One last question...can anybody identify the actual scenery object that the program was using? If so let me know. If not, don't worry about it.
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Via Hovercontrol I found this Link to the ODG-group. They are specialized on offshore-sceneries in the North-sea, Europe but also in the mexican gulf.
http://www.fs-odg.com/
Hi,
thanks for this link and I just tried some of the ODG stuff but it's also very old and I couldn't get it to work. Only the Santa Barbara scenery works obviously. Their configurator doesn't know anything about Windows 8.1 so it doesn't work either. It's a pity. I wrote in their forum but everything seems to be abandoned.
Spirit
PS: The munchbros thing isn't working on my rig too.
That's Santa Barbara
(http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2014/07/31/8vTSE.jpg)
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Well, it's some time since I found the link at hovercontrol.com.
I didn't ever try their stuff, sorry!
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Well the last post in this thread was a year ago so the info is very old and probably water under he bridge by now. ;D
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@all
Well, I would like to report my positive experience with the ODG folks and the forum is not abandoned as I thought.
A very helpful guy chimed in and the configurator is working now also with Windows 8.1 because he did the necessary changes.
I'll go on a little bit with testing the UK offshore sceneries but I still doubt that they will work in my P3D v2.2. Maybe I can motivate them to do the necessary conversions. ;D
I'll report about my further experience.
Spirit
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@all
I promised to tell about my further experience with the ODG content and if I could get anything working.
Well, with the tireless help of Paul from ODG forum I could eventually get the UEKZ oilrigs, vessels etc. running in my P3D v2.2. I would say it's not perfect but all the content is FSX and not really P3D v2.
For heli enthusiasts it's quite nice and challenging to fly from oilrig to oilrig and vessels too.
I had at first problems to understand the structure and design of the sceneries but Paul was very helpful.
Spirit
(http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2014/08/09/Q1tmP.jpg)
(http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2014/08/09/ys8qk.jpg)